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holy hell, what type of ram is that?

It's 32gb GSkill Trident X 2400 at 1.60vddr.
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nah, I don't care about onboard audio, I'm using Auzen X-Fi HomeTheater HD, so I'm going for full ATX motherboards to make sure theres enough breathing room between the graphics card and the sound card

but I'm indeed leaning towards the maximus VII formula, as the gigabyte z97x-SOC seems to be much lower end than my current Z77X-UP7, and I hear the MSI Z97 XPower has quality control issues? I also saw some bad opinions about the evga z97 classified here and there, but still havent seen any negative comments about the asus

which I guess leaves the question of whether I'll even be able to sell my current motherboard and cpu for a good price, as I did pay quite a lot for them

I'd avoid Gigiabyte if possible for Broadwell C as they really messed up with supporting the cpu. Unless you use XTU, the cpu will throttle when you OC it.

 

Asus and Asrock both have very good support for this cpu, can't speak for MSI but Slack's got one and he seems to enjoy it.

 

As far as your current board goes, it'll fetch a good buck as folks still on 1155 K series chips that don't want Ryzen or Intel's current stuff will want it.

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It's 32gb GSkill Trident X 2400 at 1.60vddr.
well thats a nasty score but makes a little more sense. two of those tests you'll smash me with pure available ram.. i tightened up to 10-12-11-34 1T at 2400Mhz and this is my score now, 4.3core 3.8uncore.. I didnt think 1T would work with a 4 stick kit but so far so good.edit, tightening subtimings for a few more points. still 3.8uncore.
Edited by Slackaveli - 4/26/17 at 7:35pm
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I've been reading old posts in the thread to get familiar with what to expect from broadwell-c, and judging by experiences of people I'll do best to go with asus, most likely maximus vii formula would be the top pick.

I noticed something else though, one guy had performance issues with broadwell-c in win7, he was complaining that the performance was much worse than win10 on the same machine... apparently something about drivers or whatever... has this issue been fixed by now? Because it's exactly for win7 that I want to build a broadwell-c machine, I don't want to use win10. If that problem is real and still unfixed, I'd rather stay on Ivy
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For all of you wondering how a 5775c performs.... heres a BF1 video... all ULTRA less PP on MEDIUM......

Enjoy........

Battlefield 1 I7 5775c 1080ti GAMING X - YouTube

https://youtu.be/bsd4fahhNRA

Edited by palote99 - 4/27/17 at 10:35am
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i never drop below ~115, it's pretty much a 135+ fest, and much of it locked to 144. LOVE 5775c.


Question, is ANYBODY running this on the recommended DDR3L ram, aka, is anybody actually running ram at 1.35v. I wonder how it would affect longevity, performance (pro and con as the fastest ddr3L ram around is 1866Mhz c-9), and power usage. Most iI want to know if there is any real benefit and would I lose FPS dropping from 2400 c-10 to 1866 c-9 on this chip. the voltage between 1.35 and 1.65 is significant. Anybody got some research in on this?[
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I've been reading old posts in the thread to get familiar with what to expect from broadwell-c, and judging by experiences of people I'll do best to go with asus, most likely maximus vii formula would be the top pick.

I noticed something else though, one guy had performance issues with broadwell-c in win7, he was complaining that the performance was much worse than win10 on the same machine... apparently something about drivers or whatever... has this issue been fixed by now? Because it's exactly for win7 that I want to build a broadwell-c machine, I don't want to use win10. If that problem is real and still unfixed, I'd rather stay on Ivy
wasnt his complaint something about lower scores on win 7, or something like that? idk. why no win 10? i prefer it . Provided you clean it up, first. O&OShutUp10 software is a must to de-spy the joint.
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@Slackaveli it's because my enthusiasm for gaming recently reached such a point that I decided I want to build different machines for each major windows version to cover games of specific period, and those machines should be as optimal as possible for that os and games of the period. So a win98se machine, maybe an MS DOS machine (haven't decided on it yet as DOSBox seems to do a great job so far), a win XP machine, a win 7 machine and a win 10 machine... It's too early to decide on the perfect components for win 10 as the os is still young, better components supporting it will keep coming out in the future. Win 7 on the other hand is on the end of its life now, with kaby and ryzen already not supporting it, meaning it's a good time to decide on what would be the perfect build for the win 7 machine. I thought I could just use my Ivy as overclocked to 4ghz with overclocked ram to 2400mhz performance is supposedly pretty close to a stock Skylake. But after finding out how much better 5775c is, I started thinking of selling the Ivy and building with Broadwell. That's why I'd like to know if it's true that there's problems in win 7 as that one user complained... I think it was somewhere between page 30 and 40, let me see if I can quote some posts:
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I will tell ya' my situation here smile.gif

in Win7, this CPU have lower scores in all test around 20 - 30%, and Aida64 Memory and Cache test net very bad results for L4 cache. it is even slower than my RAM not runing XMP (1333mhz dual chanel). something is obviously wrong here with combination of this cpu and Win7. I installed chipset driver from Asus site, of course.

pity, because I would like to stay on Win7 for now, Win10 is good but these updates is boring and overall I consider it to be spyware biggrin.gif

any ideas?

on Win10, there is no any cpu hendicap and L4 works how it should be. but it must stay on Auto setting in Bios, any changing of Edram speed, lower or higher, net very bad results. why is that? also, when I set Edram ratio to DISABLE in Bios, and then check it in CPU-Z, it show no speed, but than when I use Aida64 Memory and Cache test, it show it still works but at very low speed (like any other altering of Edram ratio). maybe that is problem with my Bios or what?

overclocking cache / uncore, have very good effect on L4 (it also makes L3 faster).

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here is drivers for this motherboard from Asus :

http://www.asus.com/Motherboards/Z97DELUXEUSB_31NFCWLC/HelpDesk_Download/

as we can see, there is newer drivers for Win10. for Win7 chipser drivers is from 2015 and MEI is from 2014.

I did fresh install Win7 again, and now there is no slowdown of L4 (if Edram ratio stays at Auto) in Aida64 test.

this is totally confusing. CPU-Z single score test is always same, in Win7 and Win10, about 1790. but multicore differs.
with Win10 it is around 7400 (no overclocking)
with Win7 old install it is around 6500, and with fresh install now it is around 7000. it is multicore problem.

Cinebench C15 totally sucks now. in Win10 it get around 800, now sometimes around 650, sometimes around 550.

I can try some other Win7 install. if you have any other driver suggestions, please let me know.

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I think it all comes down to lack of support of Intel ME and chipset in W7. Both drivers are older than Broadwell-C launch and W10 showing better results is a sign of being a software issue.
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@Slackaveli it's because my enthusiasm for gaming recently reached such a point that I decided I want to build different machines for each major windows version to cover games of specific period, and those machines should be as optimal as possible for that os and games of the period. So a win98se machine, maybe an MS DOS machine (haven't decided on it yet as DOSBox seems to do a great job so far), a win XP machine, a win 7 machine and a win 10 machine... It's too early to decide on the perfect components for win 10 as the os is still young, better components supporting it will keep coming out in the future. Win 7 on the other hand is on the end of its life now, with kaby and ryzen already not supporting it, meaning it's a good time to decide on what would be the perfect build for the win 7 machine. I thought I could just use my Ivy as overclocked to 4ghz with overclocked ram to 2400mhz performance is supposedly pretty close to a stock Skylake. But after finding out how much better 5775c is, I started thinking of selling the Ivy and building with Broadwell. That's why I'd like to know if it's true that there's problems in win 7 as that one user complained... I think it was somewhere between page 30 and 40, let me see if I can quote some posts:


I think as long as use the latest intel management engine drivers it should work, these were date 6/2016. I used some version of these on w10 just in case. also you need to flash the bios in windows for the asus boards on windows 7, you should should see it in the asus bios-utilities downloads area for your board.


https://downloadcenter.intel.com/download/26136/NUCs-Intel-Management-Engine-Driver-5M-for-Windows-7-8-1-and-Windows-10-for-Intel-NUC-Kit-NUC5i5MYHE-and-NUC5i5MYBE
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just checked, for asus maximus vii formula, for win 7, the latest chipset driver is from 2015/07/23, and the latest Intel MEI driver from 2014/05/08... for win 10 the latest chipset driver is from 2015/07/23... huh, same date, but the latest Intel MEI driver is from 2015/08/07. So yeah, the management engine driver is only updated for win 10. As for the chipset driver, I found out I can download a 2017 version from Intel's site: https://downloadcenter.intel.com/download/20775/Intel-Chipset-Device-Software-INF-Update-Utility-?product=46645 but can't find any management engine downloads there, its probably motherboard dependent or something?

p.s. saw your link just now, it's says it's for intel NUC? Would that even work on maximus vii + 5775c?
Edited by GodOfGaming - 4/27/17 at 6:47pm
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