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@Slackaveli it's because my enthusiasm for gaming recently reached such a point that I decided I want to build different machines for each major windows version to cover games of specific period, and those machines should be as optimal as possible for that os and games of the period. So a win98se machine, maybe an MS DOS machine (haven't decided on it yet as DOSBox seems to do a great job so far), a win XP machine, a win 7 machine and a win 10 machine... It's too early to decide on the perfect components for win 10 as the os is still young, better components supporting it will keep coming out in the future. Win 7 on the other hand is on the end of its life now, with kaby and ryzen already not supporting it, meaning it's a good time to decide on what would be the perfect build for the win 7 machine. I thought I could just use my Ivy as overclocked to 4ghz with overclocked ram to 2400mhz performance is supposedly pretty close to a stock Skylake. But after finding out how much better 5775c is, I started thinking of selling the Ivy and building with Broadwell. That's why I'd like to know if it's true that there's problems in win 7 as that one user complained... I think it was somewhere between page 30 and 40, let me see if I can quote some posts:

do it man. I like how you think, too. I will say this. YOU WILL HAVE the baddest cpu on a win7 platform POSSIBLE with this cpu. Hands down. And it REALLY kicks ass in 1080p compared to the alternatives, so will play them old games in their designed best definitions better than anything else, too.

check msi's downloads on their site for their dates. they were all over the broadwell launch.
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Yeah, thats what I was doing just now, as another motherboard I had my eye on besides Asus Maximus VII Formula was MSI Z97 XPower AC, and, lo and behold, latest win7 chipset driver for it is from 2017, and latest Intel MEI driver is from 2015-02-16, it even says "Intel Management Engine Driver+Microsoft hotfix". So from support standpoint MSI already looks like the better deal. It also has 16 power phase VRM while the Maximus VII only has 8. I read somewhere else that MSI supposedly had very bad quality control issues during that time, which is why I thought Asus might be a safer pick than MSI?
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just checked, for asus maximus vii formula, for win 7, the latest chipset driver is from 2015/07/23, and the latest Intel MEI driver from 2014/05/08... for win 10 the latest chipset driver is from 2015/07/23... huh, same date, but the latest Intel MEI driver is from 2015/08/07. So yeah, the management engine driver is only updated for win 10. As for the chipset driver, I found out I can download a 2017 version from Intel's site: https://downloadcenter.intel.com/download/20775/Intel-Chipset-Device-Software-INF-Update-Utility-?product=46645 but can't find any management engine downloads there, its probably motherboard dependent or something?

p.s. saw your link just now, it's says it's for intel NUC? Would that even work on maximus vii + 5775c?

it will work, NUC is just intels small form factor pc.
this link is for consumer so use this one instead
https://downloadcenter.intel.com/download/26135/Intel-Management-Engine-Driver-for-Windows-7-8-1-for-Intel-NUC
post #874 of 1172
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Yeah, thats what I was doing just now, as another motherboard I had my eye on besides Asus Maximus VII Formula was MSI Z97 XPower AC, and, lo and behold, latest win7 chipset driver for it is from 2017, and latest Intel MEI driver is from 2015-02-16, it even says "Intel Management Engine Driver+Microsoft hotfix". So from support standpoint MSI already looks like the better deal. It also has 16 power phase VRM while the Maximus VII only has 8. I read somewhere else that MSI supposedly had very bad quality control issues during that time, which is why I thought Asus might be a safer pick than MSI?

just get something inexpensive since power regulation is on the chip (FIVR) so all those phases don't matter much, they went back on the boards for skylake, kaby lake and i think will on chip again for ice lake
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just get something inexpensive since power regulation is on the chip (FIVR) so all those phases don't matter much, they went back on the boards for skylake, kaby lake and i think will on chip again for ice lake
LOL, just more evidence that intel chopped these off at the knees. Those dirty dogs. I bet if our mobos could do their thing it could clock to 4.6 or 4.7...
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LOL, just more evidence that intel chopped these off at the knees. Those dirty dogs. I bet if our mobos could do their thing it could clock to 4.6 or 4.7...

supposedly taking them off chip helped overclocking for skylake/kaby lake but not sure whey they would go back on for ice lake.
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supposely taking them off chio helped overclocking for skylake/kaby lake but sure whey they would go back on for ice lake.
intel for you. if something is too good then it doesnt fit into tick-tock-milk-bilk, so they handcuff it.
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I think as long as use the latest intel management engine drivers it should work, these were date 6/2016. I used some version of these on w10 just in case. also you need to flash the bios in windows for the asus boards on windows 7, you should should see it in the asus bios-utilities downloads area for your board.


https://downloadcenter.intel.com/download/26136/NUCs-Intel-Management-Engine-Driver-5M-for-Windows-7-8-1-and-Windows-10-for-Intel-NUC-Kit-NUC5i5MYHE-and-NUC5i5MYBE

Hi, correct me if I'm wrong but this is not the case for all Asus Z97 boards?. Some boards support the Asus BIOS Flashback mode which allows you to update the BIOS with the computer off(Power supply on).

See link here: https://www.asus.com/microsite/2015/mb/5th_gen_Intel_CPU_ready/

@GodOfGaming

I was curious about the posts you quoted, since I'm running on Windows 7 Home Premium, so I decided to check CPU-Z bench test. And bare in mind I'm running 5675c chip(at stock) not the 5775c. I ended getting 1696 vs his 1790. With Multi-core I got 6372 vs his 6500. But then he got 7000 afterwards?

Is 6373 vs 7000 a fair difference considering the 5775c has 8 threads vs the 5675c 4 threads?

It's still not anything close to the 7400 he got on Windows 10. I'm running Intel Management driver 11.0.5.1189(from Intel) and Chipset driver of 10.1.1.7(from Asus). I wonder if I should try the latest chipset driver from Intel instead.

Also, the microsoft hotfix is included with Intel Management Engine Interface Driver package provided by Asus. It's just a Windows Kernel-Mode Driver Framework that is needed for it to work. You can also grab it from your Windows Update. But yeah I looked at the MSI site as well, their drivers seem to be more up to date than Asus. In particular the Chipset Driver.
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Hi, correct me if I'm wrong but this is not the case for all Asus Z97 boards?. Some boards support the Asus BIOS Flashback mode which allows you to update the BIOS with the computer off(Power supply on).

See link here: https://www.asus.com/microsite/2015/mb/5th_gen_Intel_CPU_ready/

Sorry i wasn't specific enough and was looking back @post #229 by BaK2BaK stated below but in re-reading the post it seems like it is referring to installing/booting with the chip. I assume since @GodOfGaming is buying a new Z97 it should have the just about the latest firmware installed.

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This is what Asus' support told me (Sent : 8/26/2015) :
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To fully support the CPU you not only need to update the BIOS itself, but also the
attached management engine. If you update the BIOS in EZ Flash this will not be
enough. You need to use the BIOS updater to perform the update. The problem here
will be, that you need another/older working CPU to first perform this Update in
Windows environment. Otherwise the new CPU won't work on your motherboard.

BIOS Updater:
http://dlcdnet.asus.com/pub/ASUS/mb/LGA1150/H97M-PLUS/BIOS_updater_for_5th_Gen_Intel_Core_Processors.zip

BIOS Version:

http://dlcdnet.asus.com/pub/ASUS/mb/LGA1150/Z97I-PLUS/Z97I-PLUS-ASUS-2605.zip


After the update the CPU should work then. Do not forget that you need the latest VGA
driver from our website to work with this GPU.

http://www.asus.com/Motherboards/Z97IPLUS/HelpDesk_Download/

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The problem here will be, that you need another/older working CPU to first perform this Update in
Windows environment. Otherwise the new CPU won't work on your motherboard.

Actually you can also use the Broadwell chip with a discrete GPU, install Windows, do the updates and remove the dGPU as the iGPU will now be recognized. biggrin.gif
But as you got an Haswell...
post #880 of 1172
Interesting! The link I provided says nothing about needing the "attached management engine". I assume this comes with the BIOS file? Otherwise the BIOS Flashback wouldn't work either?

This would also point to a limitation with Asus EZ Flash tool from BIOS/UEFI?

I'm guessing this is to update the firmware for the Intel Management Engine interface. I wonder if this is also the reason the Gigabyte boards throttle? Because they didn't update the firmware with their BIOS update?

This is all speculation of course! tongue.gif
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