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So 5675C/5775C with 4,2-4,3GHz @ cores with x3,7-3,9GHz @ uncore, running 16/32GB of 2400-CL9/CL10 or 2600/2666/2800/CL11 DDR3's is CPU for another 2 years without replacing it with something new.

Disagreeing here a little, since in games I saw absolutely ZERO difference in performance between 2133Mhz DDR3 CL9 and 2400Mhz DDR CL10.

And you don't want CL11 DDR3 in gaming. CL9-CL10 will always be SUPER MARGINALLY BETTER biggrin.gif (joking, it doesn't make enough difference, just saying).

For benches I agree, but for real-gaming scenarios 2133 with CL9 is all you need. 2400 is also good, just won't make any difference, so just buy chaper kit in you local store thumb.gif
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Thanks smile.gif

2133-9-x-x-x
2200-9-x-x-x
Not possible, even with 1,80V, its just to much to handle for standard cheap Crucial Ballistix 1600-cl9. But 2200-cl10 1,60V works as a charm and i'm pleased with that result.


Broadwells-C are all about high ram frequency that gives them a lot of bandwitch and high as possible L4 speed (thanks to uncore multiplier) - i think sweet spot for L4 is uncore around x37-x39.
So 5675C/5775C with 4,2-4,3GHz @ cores with x3,7-3,9GHz @ uncore, running 16/32GB of 2400-CL9/CL10 or 2600/2666/2800/CL11 DDR3's is CPU for another 2 years without replacing it with something new.

I'm waiting for next Intel's move because of Ryzens 8/16 and 6/12. L4 is Intel's "black horse". "i7-8800K" with DDR4 4000MHz+ compatibility and base clock about 4,5Ghz with L4 technology working at 2000-3000MHz (5675C/577C 1800MHz) would be KILLER for gaming smile.gif
well, i guess i concur as i run her 4.2 @ 1.285 with uncore1.3 at 1.21v. works great. i can run 4.3c at 1.35v and uncore3.9 at 1.31v with 2400 c-10 /1T. that's my bench setup. the first set is the same in games except much lower power, better temps (other side of the "wall"). but i break it out as need in those titles that do dumb single/double core crap.

I can run 4.4 core, but cant stabilize it fully. i havent tried yet but think w/ HT off, i could. I just only would see gains in benches i think, though. I f I were on 1080p i may feel different. But in 1440p and 4k like i play, it's negligible gains after 4.2/3.7. and 2133c-9 is ~2400c-10 , in some aps better, but either way it's FPS is the same. bandwidth is enough and the cache read speed is hella fast, so it works great.
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@Benny89
@Slackaveli
Thanks guys for an advice.
I was looking at:
TridentX 2400-cl10 (2400-cl9 are out ot stock in my country [Poland], impossible to get new kit of those)
ADATA XPG V2.0 2400-cl11 (they're capable to reach 2600-2800MHz with CL11-12)
RipjawsX 2133-cl9 (2400-cl10 isnt any problem for them)

RipjawsX 2133-cl9 have blue heatsink same colour like my Z97 Anniversary, also they're not expensive.
I think i'll replace my good old 8GB Ballistix Sport kit with faster 16GB kit.
Thank again for info from first hand (5775C owners) thumb.gif


edit
Sorry wink.gif not TridentX 2133-cl9 but RIPJAWSX 2133-cl9 biggrin.gifbiggrin.gif
Edited by RyszardGTS - 5/4/17 at 7:10pm
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Just bought and receive this marvelous CPU in replacement of my 4790k at 4.7ghz and to go with my 2x1080TI

After reading the entire thread I end up (full of useful info, thanks to everyone who contributed, it save so much trial and error)
Flashed my asus Z97-A from windows with asus tool to latest bios
Update intel ME

Then install the CPU then reflash from bios to be sure and overclock at

4.2ghz at 1.35V (CPU) (so lower than 1.4V should be safe)
3.7ghz at 1.28V (cache) (3.7 at 1.25 was crashing even in bios menu after 10 sec ?!? weird) I will try 3.8 eventually at 1.30V (1.3V witch is the max safe)
CPUinput a 1.90V
max 79 degré (my paste job was the worst i made loll did use to much to be safe but it will do for test now)

Memory was 2400 cl10 11 11 31 at 1.65V
I lower it to 2133 cl9 10 10 31 at 1.5V
Both should be identical but 1.5V safer for the CPU memory controller

Pass intelburntest
I will now go into gaming to see how it goes.

Everything seem ok for you? any advice?

I'm on Win7 (witch I prefer) but is WIN10 better for the L4 cache or I can stay at win7?

My motherboard bios seems more unstable than my 4790K while playing with setting, sometime it post but cannot go into bios setting (black screen), need cold boot... but once boot, everything is stable. But this bios also have problem with my mouse witch does not work and make it freeze if I don't unplug it before going into setting... some weird thing I can live with.




EDIT:
Off topic but DAM I had to share, Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
Those fan controller on Z97A can deliver huge Amp.
I accidentally short 2 fan wire while trying to put 2 fan on the same connector. (did not had Y split on hand and the way I did it while computer was running...I deserve this loll but I kinda like dangerous maneuver like this lol my case is also... Frankenstein loll)
Only touch a millisecond when it slip and there was a HUGE POP and smell.


Chip (I think is F90 P02 CGE 0324) is blown, Probably a MOSFET, Trace seems OK everything else is fine, although it had a hard time, so maybe I will change that chip another day

Edited by illypso - 5/5/17 at 2:58am
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Originally Posted by RyszardGTS View Post

@Benny89
@Slackaveli
Thanks guys for an advice.
I was looking at:
TridentX 2400-cl10 (2400-cl9 are out ot stock in my country [Poland], impossible to get new kit of those)
ADATA XPG V2.0 2400-cl11 (they're capable to reach 2600-2800MHz with CL11-12)
RipjawsX 2133-cl9 (2400-cl10 isnt any problem for them)

RipjawsX 2133-cl9 have blue heatsink same colour like my Z97 Anniversary, also they're not expensive.
I think i'll replace my good old 8GB Ballistix Sport kit with faster 16GB kit.
Thank again for info from first hand (5775C owners) thumb.gif


edit
Sorry wink.gif not TridentX 2133-cl9 but RIPJAWSX 2133-cl9 biggrin.gifbiggrin.gif
yeah, ALL of those are perfect, truthfully. cant go wrong. i HAD the corsair dominator platinum 2400-c10, but somebody gave me $210 for them on ebay so i grabbed the trident x 2400 c-10 for $95 on ebay, new-in-box. but i usually run em at 2133 c-9 anyway b/c it can do it at 1.5v, instead of 1.65v.

now, if you could find those 2400 c-9s.... eeeeyyyyeeee. those would be nasty. And those ADATA would be THE ones I think, that's nasty 2800Mhz, i havent tested on these, but I am guessing those ADATA cost about what I sold those Dominator's for. $95 for 2400/c-10 or 2133/c-9 16gb kit is a helluva deal in today's ram market, that's all i know. I have Black with red accented MSI mobo, and red pci-e cables, so the Trident X with th big red fins fit my build exactly. My son's build with my old 4790k I did 2 weeks ago, and I put the 2133 c-9 ripjaws kit in his ($70), as it matched his gigabyte mobo. And my daughter caught the blue Aries 2133 c-10 (16gb for $60...) which match her Asus mobo. Boom. Basically got all three kits for selling that Dominator kit lol, only the Ebay fees was my cost.
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Originally Posted by illypso View Post

Just bought and receive this marvelous CPU in replacement of my 4790k at 4.7ghz and to go with my 2x1080TI

After reading the entire thread I end up (full of useful info, thanks to everyone who contributed, it save so much trial and error)
Flashed my asus Z97-A from windows with asus tool to latest bios
Update intel ME

Then install the CPU then reflash from bios to be sure and overclock at

4.2ghz at 1.35V (CPU) (so lower than 1.4V should be safe)
3.7ghz at 1.28V (cache) (3.7 at 1.25 was crashing even in bios menu after 10 sec ?!? weird) I will try 3.8 eventually at 1.30V (1.3V witch is the max safe)
CPUinput a 1.90V
max 79 degré (my paste job was the worst i made loll did use to much to be safe but it will do for test now)

Memory was 2400 cl10 11 11 31 at 1.65V
I lower it to 2133 cl9 10 10 31 at 1.5V
Both should be identical but 1.5V safer for the CPU memory controller

Pass intelburntest
I will now go into gaming to see how it goes.

Everything seem ok for you? any advice?

I'm on Win7 (witch I prefer) but is WIN10 better for the L4 cache or I can stay at win7?

My motherboard bios seems more unstable than my 4790K while playing with setting, sometime it post but cannot go into bios setting (black screen), need cold boot... but once boot, everything is stable. But this bios also have problem with my mouse witch does not work and make it freeze if I don't unplug it before going into setting... some weird thing I can live with.




EDIT:
Off topic but DAM I had to share, Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
Those fan controller on Z97A can deliver huge Amp.
I accidentally short 2 fan wire while trying to put 2 fan on the same connector. (did not had Y split on hand and the way I did it while computer was running...I deserve this loll but I kinda like dangerous maneuver like this lol my case is also... Frankenstein loll)
Only touch a millisecond when it slip and there was a HUGE POP and smell.


Chip (I think is F90 P02 CGE 0324) is blown, Probably a MOSFET, Trace seems OK everything else is fine, although it had a hard time, so maybe I will change that chip another day
smart man reading the whole thread first.

Go into BIOS and make sure "Fast Boot" is off. That should help with the BIOS games. Totally agree on your logic for the ram settings, too. Make sure you set it from 2T to 1T in command rate for a nice perf boost.

And definitely repaste that dude with Thermal Grizzly Kryonaut, these should run a little cooler than your 4790k.



And dizamn! on that mobo!
Edited by Slackaveli - 5/5/17 at 9:51am
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Sorry I just stumbled across this in slacks posts in the 1080ti thread. What are the performance boosts in gaming over a 4790k? I dont have the patience to go through 91 pages of posts. Yet I am intrigued. I can't really google any info easily since this CPU got such little press. redface.gif
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Sorry I just stumbled across this in slacks posts in the 1080ti thread. What are the performance boosts in gaming over a 4790k? I dont have the patience to go through 91 pages of posts. Yet I am intrigued. I can't really google any info easily since this CPU got such little press. redface.gif
I'd start with this. hit translate , then enjoy. As you can see it beats 7700k in most games. And costs ~$50 to upgrade if you sell your 4790k, as most dont know about this chip's greatness and pay top dollar for 4790k used tongue.gif https://www.purepc.pl/procesory/broadwell_niszczyciel_test_core_i5_5675c_i_core_i7_5775c?page=0,33 , that's page 33. there are a bunch of other pages of benches, look at them all tongue.gif
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I'd start with this. hit translate , then enjoy. As you can see it beats 7700k in most games. And costs ~$50 to upgrade if you sell your 4790k, as most dont know about this chip's greatness and pay top dollar for 4790k used tongue.gif https://www.purepc.pl/procesory/broadwell_niszczyciel_test_core_i5_5675c_i_core_i7_5775c?page=0,33 , that's page 33. there are a bunch of other pages of benches, look at them all tongue.gif

Very nice showing for that cpu... color me impressed. Just canceled my nvme ssd purchase and looking at this.
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Very nice showing for that cpu... color me impressed. Just canceled my nvme ssd purchase and looking at this.

one could say, "A deal of a lifetime". consider:
A) All-time RAM prices that are predicted to actually rise for the next YEAR or more, and you get to just keep your ram.

B) No mobo to buy; NO MOBO TO INSTALL. Keep everything in it's place except the repasting/seating of the cpu. 10 minute upgrade plus a couple bios updates (which will have been done while you are anxiously awaiting your Broadwell Destroyer.

C) A full platform upgrade's worth of performance (more, actually, than anyone got from Skylake or Kabylake) for less than $100, most have done it for free to $60, depending on where you live pretty much.

D) Having a unique cpu that you can literally claim as "the best overall gaming cpu", and have very few people even be able to say, "Me too." It's fun.

E) This thing sips power. It's idle is 12w. twelve. On full load in Battlefield One, which is a very heavy on 8 threads game, it uses ~70w. That's crazy. It actually saves money. While running cooler.

F) Fun fact. L3 + L4 cache on 5775c is 6mb + 128mb = 134Mb. on Devil's Canyon 8m + 0mb = 8mb. 1700% more cache. #magiccache

G) If you ever have your GPU go out, we actually have the best iGPU around and can even play AAA games at low settings. Good for the downtime that sometimes occurs.

H) Could always be resold for a maximum resell value as there are NONE on the used market. Name your price seller's market on these. Or, it would make a great media pc (pull the gpu, leave the cpu w/ Iris) down the road w/o the gpu when you move on eventually.


Now, go order it, because I know that sold you. Im a salesman lol.
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