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Originally Posted by jeffk View Post

Well, its just your own preferences...

Even if 99% of your posts are usefull (and I also read you on HLTV.org), shape is very personal.
You can't say like "Useless to improve the mouse electronic's side, if the shape is still like that" since its just your personal feeling and not 99% of owner.

A human hand is a human hand. A glove is a glove.

It's not solely based off my opinion. I have seen these comments/complaints before I used a FK. Hence what spurred Zowie into making a FK1 and a ZA series.

A few exmaples:

http://www.overclock.net/t/1351759/zowie-fk/330_30#post_19507910
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HuuAGCS9vjo&t=2m28s

I'm not saying the FK should be changed drastically. A little angle change at the rear and the sides. A few millimeters at certain areas. It wouldn't be very noticeable in pictures. I think the ZA went too far from what I wanted to see.
Edited by popups - 1/26/16 at 6:18am
post #472 of 499
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Originally Posted by Stats View Post

The flashbang issue is still there... it also occurs with smokes in some places where if you scope in/unscope with an awp you get this weird white flicker on the smoke even without black equalizer.... the black equalizer feature is completely unusable since a flashbang makes you blind for like twice as long. This monitor is ****ed up.
And i have a random Dell IPS monitor as my 2nd monitor and yes it turns on much faster.

Sorry for the offtopic, but which firmware do you have on the XL2430T? I have the same monitor since 2 weeks and I don't have this issue. The firmware on mine is the V5.
My friend bought one last week and it has the V4 firmware, but his also doesn't flicker.

The way we tested it was with Black eQualizer on setting 10 and flash yourself on dust 2 (outside and in tunnels), but I don't see any flickering.
post #473 of 499
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Originally Posted by popups View Post

A human hand is a human hand. A glove is a glove.

It's not solely based off my opinion. I have seen these comments/complaints before I used a FK. Hence what spurred Zowie into making a FK1 and a ZA series.

A few exmaples:

http://www.overclock.net/t/1351759/zowie-fk/330_30#post_19507910
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HuuAGCS9vjo&t=2m28s

I'm not saying the FK should be changed drastically. A little angle change at the rear and the sides. A few millimeters at certain areas. It wouldn't be very noticeable in pictures. I think the ZA went too far from what I wanted to see.

That is a pretty bad argument at the beginning. People hold their mouse differently and have different size hands. Also gloves aren't 1 size fits all. Honestly the changes you suggested would make the FK more usable to me, but still not ideal, but then again the mouse shape that is closest to ideal to me is one of the most hated shapes of any mouse ever I guess. I love the g303 though it could certainly be improved without taking anything away from what makes it a great shape. TBH, I think they should make more shapes not modify the current ones. Maybe phase some out if they become less popular when they release a new similar shape, but you aren't going to make everyone happy with a small number of shapes. Zowie actually has a fairly large number if you count all the sizes and still has nothing even remotely close to what I would want.

If I were starting a mouse company the first thing I would do is try to have 3 shapes each attempting to cater to a specific grip type. I really don't think a mouse can be great for both claw grip and palm grip at the same time and yet companies seem to claim their mice are good for both which makes me think they are trying to compromise between a shape that is good for one and a shape that is good for the other. Palm grippers seem to consider the mouse filling their hand as a good thing while I get disgusted if the mouse shape makes it so that the arch comes anywhere near my palm. I actually use a pretty flat claw/fingertip weird hybrid grip or something though I guess. The way my hand is positioned looks more like standard pictures of finger tip grip, but the contact points are a claw grip though the base of my palm isn't always touching. A lot of the grips that claim they are good for multiple styles honestly just look like palm grip mice to me though.

Edit: I should have said "Zowie actually has a fairly large number if you count all the sizes and still doesn't currently make anything even remotely close to what I would want." the mico looks like it could be nice.
post #474 of 499
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Originally Posted by chr1spe View Post

That is a pretty bad argument at the beginning. People hold their mouse differently and have different size hands. Also gloves aren't 1 size fits all. Honestly the changes you suggested would make the FK more usable to me, but still not ideal, but then again the mouse shape that is closest to ideal to me is one of the most hated shapes of any mouse ever I guess. I love the g303 though it could certainly be improved without taking anything away from what makes it a great shape. TBH, I think they should make more shapes not modify the current ones. Maybe phase some out if they become less popular when they release a new similar shape, but you aren't going to make everyone happy with a small number of shapes. Zowie actually has a fairly large number if you count all the sizes and still has nothing even remotely close to what I would want.

If I were starting a mouse company the first thing I would do is try to have 3 shapes each attempting to cater to a specific grip type. I really don't think a mouse can be great for both claw grip and palm grip at the same time and yet companies seem to claim their mice are good for both which makes me think they are trying to compromise between a shape that is good for one and a shape that is good for the other. Palm grippers seem to consider the mouse filling their hand as a good thing while I get disgusted if the mouse shape makes it so that the arch comes anywhere near my palm. I actually use a pretty flat claw/fingertip weird hybrid grip or something though I guess. The way my hand is positioned looks more like standard pictures of finger tip grip, but the contact points are a claw grip though the base of my palm isn't always touching. A lot of the grips that claim they are good for multiple styles honestly just look like palm grip mice to me though.

Edit: I should have said "Zowie actually has a fairly large number if you count all the sizes and still doesn't currently make anything even remotely close to what I would want." the mico looks like it could be nice.

Human hands are very similar, difference being the size. It's an obvious statement, not an argument. Yet some mouse companies design their products based off how they come across in pictures rather than how they feel in the human hand.

If you can't get good contact with the FK's palm area why make it look like a palm grip mouse? Just make a mouse like the G302/3. A few millimeter changes would be subtle enough not to change the personality of the mouse, whereas a redesign of the G303 would be closer to doing.

Sounds like you want a very small mouse that will never touch your palm. The FK2 wouldn't be that mouse, nor would a ZA13, even a G100S is likely not for you.
Edited by popups - 1/26/16 at 4:31pm
post #475 of 499
I palm the FK, does that mean I don't have a human hand?
post #476 of 499
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Originally Posted by Robobot View Post

I palm the FK, does that mean I don't have a human hand?

So you are hear purely to create drama? Reddit is a better place for that.
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"If you can't get good contact with the FK's palm area why make it look like a palm grip mouse?"

I palm my FK too, but it doesn't give me the proper support for my average sized hands. The majority of people have hands as big as mine.
post #477 of 499
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Originally Posted by popups View Post

So you are hear purely to create drama? Reddit is a better place for that.
I palm my FK too, but it doesn't give me the proper support for my average sized hands. The majority of people have hands as big as mine.

No, I'm here to point out that what you're saying is untrue. People have vastly different palm width/height, finger length, in various combinations, meaning that one mouse that fits someone fine is entirely impossible for another to use. There's no magic 'average sized hands' physical mouse design; I have friends with large palms but short fingers - or long thin fingers with smaller palms, etc.
post #478 of 499
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Originally Posted by Robobot View Post

No, I'm here to point out that what you're saying is untrue. People have vastly different palm width/height, finger length, in various combinations, meaning that one mouse that fits someone fine is entirely impossible for another to use. There's no magic 'average sized hands' physical mouse design; I have friends with large palms but short fingers - or long thin fingers with smaller palms, etc.
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"Human hands are very similar, difference being the size"
post #479 of 499
Wonderful news. Been using an evo ec2 for the longest time. The rubber surface is a little worn out but the mechanisms inside and sensor is still going strong.

Now I'm tempted to get a new one!
post #480 of 499
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Originally Posted by IamEugene View Post

Wonderful news. Been using an evo ec2 for the longest time. The rubber surface is a little worn out but the mechanisms inside and sensor is still going strong.

Now I'm tempted to get a new one!

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