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Well, I decided to try to address some ongoing issues with my initial node 202 build. Namely, the CPU temps and the noise being higher than I would prefer.

Node4k current specs:
- Fractal Node 202
- intel Core i7-7700k
- Cryorig C7 CPU Fan
- Gigabyte Z170N-Gaming 5 motherboard
- Corsair Vengeance LPX 2 x 16GB DDR4 3200 RAM
- ASUS ROG STRIX Geforce 1080 GTX OC
- 512 GB Samsung 950 Pro NVME M.2 SSD
- 500 GB Samsung 850 Evo 6GBs SATA SSD
- 2 TB Seagate Firecuda 6GBs SATA SSHD
- 2 x Gentle Typhoon 120mm case fans
- Corsair SF600 600 watt SFX PSU

In the process, I decided to upgrade to a i7 7700k processor and swap one of the two 850 evo 500GB drives for a 2 terabyte firecuda storage solution.

I'm also trying out a new CPU Cooler, the cryorig C7, in the hope that it might be a little quieter than my scythe shuriken big.

My first day of tinkering yielded me some positive results, though the biggest gain was possibly from one of the most bone-headed things ever.

My CPU was running extremely hot at stock speeds (easily went into 90Cs after sustained BOINC / 100% CPU utulization in less than 30 minutes) with my initial configuration where I had the case vertically-oriented with the GPU at the top and the CPU at the bottom. By flipping the case orientation 180 degrees I lowered the CPU temperature a good bit while keeping the GPU temperature still well within thermal tolerance (73C max after sustained BOINC / Futuremark Time Spy stability testing). The reason I feel so dumb about it is that it looks so obvious if you just eyeball the case. There are large vents at the top of the case if you have vertical orientation with the CPU at the top. The GPU has much smaller ventilation at the top If running the case GPU-up in vertical orientation. By flipping the case, I was hitting low 90s C after sustained BIONCing, but it wasn't SUPER loud... I do want those temps lower though. I was also able to get two runs of the latest Futuremark Time Spy stabiliy / burn in to go off without a hitch... Just from flipping over the case.

I'm experimenting with undervolting today, in an effort to lower overall CPU temperatures. I manually set my CPU down to 1.2v vcore down from the stock 1.26. I've only done some mild overclocking in the past, so undervolting isn't super familiar to me. Lowering vcore by .06 volts, from testing I'm doing while typing this, have so far been positive. Temps seem down around 10C lower than before in Time Spy (peaking around mid 80s), and additional runs of Futuremark Time Spy stability test have all passed easily.

I would be curious to get feedback from other node users on a few things.

If anyone else is running a 7700k in the Node, what sort of temps are you getting (particularly if you are using the Cryorig C7 and/or are undervolting)? For fellow 7700k owners, what sort of undervolting have you been able to do stably at stock speeds? Do many folks have luck doing small (100MHz or so) to moderate overclocks while undervolting in thier SFF builds? I always worry I use to much thermal paste... are my temps greatly different from other Node 202 folks?
Edited by TheInternal - 4/5/17 at 2:41pm
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Heya Internal - for what it's worth, I steady up around low-70deg on my old SandyBridge 2600 (non-K) @95W TDP with a C7; stock speeds gaming on Steam. But my Node is horizontal and in a media shelf.

It's unclear what temps you are hitting on your 7700k - low 90s? If so, seems very high - but I'll defer to other Node 202 owners that may be running 7700s.
   
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I have a C7 and get normal temps on my 4770k. For the GPU which is a 1080 gtx, I get normal temps with a couple of Vardar 120mm static pressure fans but I imagine most any static pressure fan would be fine. Nothing overclocked but I can run it for hours and the outside of the case is barely warm. Now before I got the static pressure fans, I had airflow fans and that wasn't working nearly as well. Be sure to use the thermal paste that comes with the C7 because the paste is designed and tested for the use of their heatsinks. Using aftermarket pastes can often yield mixed results which is why most heatsinks come with a certain kind.
post #264 of 286
Hello guys,

I was thinking of making a build in a Fractal Design Node 202 case. However, due to its small size, a few questions arised and I thought that there was no one better to ask them to other than people that own it. smile.gif

My would-be build is: https://it.pcpartpicker.com/list/6GLxjc
I was wondering if Noctua NF-F12 (25mm) would fit along with the 3.8cm thick blower style GTX 1060, as in the Fractal Design Node 202 website it says that the maximum fan thickness should be 10mm if the GPU is wider than 3.5cm. I have seen some builds with similar-sized cards, but I thought of asking just be sure.
I have already read of people using the Cryorig C7 as a CPU cooler, so I am not too worried about that - even though I am considering the Noctua NH-L9i as well.

Also, the reason for which I am building a gaming PC inside this small case is to bring it on flights, as I travel often. Obviously, I would keep it with me as a hand-luggage so that it would not be smashed around by the airport staff, but I am still afraid by unavoidable vibrations (e.g. landing and/or turbulence). Should I remove the GPU or any other part during those flights to avoid any damages?

Other than that, do you have tips to give me? I am not only new to the Node 202, but to PC building in general. I have always been gaming from a laptop, and decided it was time to switch. tongue.gif
Edited by Eibe - 4/14/17 at 9:44am
post #265 of 286
You'll be fine with the C7. At least in my experience, the NH-L9i was 4-5deg warmer and unacceptable ranging CPU temps during gaming (not stress testing) into the low-70's. Bear in mind my 202 is in a media cabinet with no-so-great airflow (something I plan to rectify with a USB fan inserted into the back wall), so it may be fine for you (as it is for others) while on a desktop.

I recall some other owners of 202s w/double-width GPUs (I still have my 750Ti in the box for the moment, so I can't comment), and they didn't have any problems. Review the history of this thread, I believe someone has pics as well. Otherwise, perhaps someone will chime in.

As for flying with it - I've considered the same (with a Steam box when I was in the market for one before getting a 202 instead), but never went through it. I believe incurred damage on the flight is very real if you hit hard turbulence (gaming laptops are tested to ensure survival in such environments). However, I travel quite a few times during the year, and I don't think I'd have too much a problem keeping a Node 202 in the overhead compartments - but I haven't experienced moderate to bad turbulence yet (now I jinxed myself...). I do recall some Google searches when I was researching others considering such a feat, but couldn't glean any anecdotal evidence from the *net whether it fared out well (or not). I'm not sure if any of the 202 owners here have experience in that area...
Edited by NN PianoMan - 4/15/17 at 8:31am
   
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Also, the reason for which I am building a gaming PC inside this small case is to bring it on flights, as I travel often. Obviously, I would keep it with me as a hand-luggage so that it would not be smashed around by the airport staff, but I am still afraid by unavoidable vibrations (e.g. landing and/or turbulence). Should I remove the GPU or any other part during those flights to avoid any damages?

Other than that, do you have tips to give me? I am not only new to the Node 202, but to PC building in general. I have always been gaming from a laptop, and decided it was time to switch. tongue.gif

I flew with mine round trip once. Hardest bit is finding luggage that won't squish it terribly and still fit airline carry on luggage guidelines. Expect to raise eyebrows / have to tell airport security what it is.
post #267 of 286
So, I delidded and relidded my i7-7700k to attempt further temperature reductions in addition to a small undervolt.

Running GPU and CPU at max sustained load (al la BOINC) in around 73F ambient room temp, According to HW mon, I'm hitting 83C on average, 86C max CPU package temps and 73C max GPU temps on my mild OC'd ROG STRIX 1080. I notice that if my GPU isn't running at load / only running CPU at 100% all cores, temps drop to around 75C or so for CPU. So, clearly, it's the GPU's fault for bumping temps up by 10C+ on the CPU. Also of note, with everything but the undervolt and RAM on an XMP profile being stock settings, the i7 is maxing around 4.4GHz...

I also feel like a dummy for not writing down the temps for everything before the delid. herp derp. I feel like I'd gotten temps a bit down in 100% CPU/GPU loads from mid 90C to high 80C by undervolting and changing to my current case orientation. Time Spy stress test is down around 15C-18C on the cpu side after the delid.

All that being said, I'm wondering if I should reverse orientation on my case fans... I do worry that having them pulling air out right by the GPU fans trying to pull air in may not work, but the heat from the GPU getting trapped and trying to escape into the CPU chamber (running case vertical with CPU on top still). Has anyone else tried this / had any luck?

For Cryorig C7 owners; how did you orient your cooler? Any obvious improvements by having fins facing one direction or the other? I currently have the fins parallel to my case's vertical orientation, so less air being pushed onto RAM or VRMs.

Thoughts?

Update: So, running Time Spy stress test had ok thermals. Max across any CPU core was 68C. Time Spy stress test is down around 15C-18C on the cpu side after the delid.
Edited by TheInternal - 4/23/17 at 11:49am
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Thoughts?

Update: So, running Time Spy stress test had ok thermals. Max across any CPU core was 68C. Time Spy stress test is down around 15C-18C on the cpu side after the delid.

As a test - can you put a fan on the exterior of the case, blowing air directly into the case itself?

I'm wondering if the (somewhat) poor C7 performance is caused by an inability to suck in adequate fresh cold air into the case?

CPUs with L9is have seen improved results by adding an intake fan, so I'm wondering if the C7 suffers from the same constraint.
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Internal - I have my C7 fins oriented the same way you do; fins towards the side vent (i.e., not towards the RAM or backplate).

I don't think changing the GPU chamber fans will do much, as the amount of air leakage into the CPU chamber is rather minimal. Limiting factor as FTBPC puts it in the amount of cold air feed into the CPU side. I am adding a media cabinet fan to recycle air into the cubby my 202 sits in, as I don't like modding the exterior of the case since it looks clean. But if you're up to it, adding an external fan to the top air vent has yielded good results as stated earlier in this thread.
   
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Hi everybody.

I'm doing a build soon in a Node 202 case. It will be placed horizontally on a shelf in my home entertainment center, so I'm concerned about cooling in general and CPU cooling in particular. Here are my components:

Case: Fractal Design Node 202
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-H270N-WIFI
CPU: Intel i5-7600 (3.5 GHz)
RAM: Ballistix Sport LT DDR4 2400
GPU: EVGA GeForce GTX 1050 Ti
PSU: Corsair SF450
SSD: Mushkin Reactor 250 GB
OS: Windows 10 initially; may try to dual boot as a Hackintosh later

This system will be a home theater PC and will run the Dolphin Emulator (to play Nintendo GameCube and Wii games). The components were chosen with three goals in mind:

1. High Dolphin emulator performance, so I can run GC/Wii games smoothly at 1080p with some enhancements.
2. Compatibility with Hackintosh builds.
3. Low power/heat where possible. (That's why I won't be overclocking and picked a GTX 1050 rather than 1060 or higher.)

I haven't picked a CPU cooler, or decided on a case fan configuration. I would greatly appreciate advice on those two topics. I've skimmed through the entire thread looking for options, but my head's spinning now and it doesn't seem like a consensus has been reached.

Thank you,
Ted
Edited by TedG - 5/3/17 at 9:50pm
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