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post #1651 of 1680
If your box is at 10 C the hottest anything can get is 50 C inside at 10% RH as a guess at load temps inside the box. When not under load if it gets down to 5 C at 10% RH if any component gets to 43.2 C it will get wet. If the case gets to 0 C at idle anything warmer than 36.6 same thing. Also if your RH is 20% then at box temps of 10 C, 5 C and 0 C your max component temps will be 36.6 C, 30.5 C and 24.2 C and it only gets worse with more humidity.
Edited by 5GHZdesire - 11/7/17 at 11:31am
post #1652 of 1680
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thus the reason for a chill box.
condensation does not happen when things are the same temperature.

if my water blocks where at 10C with my house ambient temperature at 28C without a chill box, I would have rain coming off the water blocks. now in a chill box, the water block can be at 10C, and not create condensation, because the air around the water blocks, is also at 10C. my house ambient temperature, and relative humidity, no longer play a part in creating condensation on my components.

even at -2C water temperatures on the cold side, the small amount of condensation(frost) that is created, always gets trapped in the radiator, not on the PC components. I don't truly understand why that is, but I am positive that this is what occurs every time.. wink.gif

http://www.overclock.net/t/1533164/the-24-7-sub-zero-liquid-chillbox-club
on this thread, one of the guys does try to explain why a chill box radiator, functions in a way that allows it to trap any condensation that may be created, inside of the chill box.

at this point, I don't fear condensation ever forming on any of my components inside the chill box. as long as the box has no gross leaks condensation will not occur. I felt the same way as you seem to when I first started, that is why I vacuumed the ice chest to dry it out. than later, exchanged the air inside the ice chest to lower the humidity. I have learned by dong all this that none of it was necessary, to prevent condensation from forming. all I really needed, is a well sealed box, to contain the air, and than cool that air, with a radiator that has chilled coolant running through it.

I am also cooling my CPU and video card with the same chilled water, that I am using to cool the chill box..
Edited by toolmaker03 - 11/7/17 at 12:37pm
post #1653 of 1680
Yeah I was thinking about chip sets but your right it should all be fine. Yes air condenses on the radiator first as its the coolest. The only thing to worry is if you open it up exposing cool parts to a warm summer day. So do you have 1200 watts through 6 cooling 600 watts through 6? Stacking them I mean.
post #1654 of 1680
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kind of???

the 6 X 331watt TEC's running at 200watts each, are being water cooled by two TEC assemblies just like these two, they have 6 X 360mm radiators attached to them.



the 6 X 224watt TEC's running at 100watts each, are being air cooled by two TEC assemblies just like this one.



for a total of 12 TEC's providing coldness to the cold side water loop.

so it's a 3-way, on a 3-way, on a 3-way, on a 3-way, that's a total of 12 water blocks, a 240mm radiator, a CPU water block, and a video card water block, all on the same cold side water loop. I will have 3 X D5 water pumps on this loop.

EDIT: a cascade TEC setup is my dream build. to do that I would need 6 of the water cooled TEC assemblies, 18 X 331watt TEC's, 18 X 224watt TEC's and 18 X 360mm radiators. I don't see me building that any time soon.

well I decided to make a small change in my power setup, and get one more 24volt power supply. so I will have 3 X 24volt power supplies each powering 2 of the 331watt TEC's and 2 of the 12volt powering 3 of the 224watt TEC's each. so I will have a total of 5 power supplies for the TEC's. while I could do it with 4 easy I did not like having both the 24volt power supplies running at 45amps. so now there only at 30amps each, just like the 12volt are also pulling 30amps each. all the power supplies are 55 and 50amp so running them at 30amps will allow them to last longer.

https://imgur.com/a/Pjmyv

https://imgur.com/a/9D15g


well, my paint skills are not that good, so this is what I am building right now..

alright, I got my new 24volt power supply.
https://imgur.com/a/iBUSr




they have a new feature fixed voltage like the others at 26.4volts or adjustable voltage from 26 to 33volts. I am going to have to play with this just for kicks. ok, so for me to power 12 TEC's with 5 power supplies that's about $800 in just power supplies. if I add the relays and switches, with are $100 a set that's another $500. now add two PWM controllers at $60 each. we have a grand total for power alone at $1420 this is not cheap. the four TEC assemblies with TEC's are $3200. with another $1000 in costs that I am for now going to just label as extras. this comes to $5620, and about two years of playing with it, to figure out just how much TEC I really need.
ok so I have a total of 6 X power supplies 3 X 24volt at $200 each, and 3 X 12volt at $120 each but I am only using 5 of them. the 3 24volt and 2 of the 12volt. the extra 12volt power supply is from my first build as I used 3 12volt power supplies 1 for each of the 12726 TEC's I had on that build.

https://imgur.com/a/c7HTZ


well here is a couple of pics of what I am working on. these are the air cooled TEC assemblies that will hold the 6 X 224watt TEC's running at 13.2volts or 100+watts each.
the expensive part to these TEC assemblies are the manifolds that I am making out of fittings. these are also what allow me to keep the flow rates up on the water loops so that they function well. .
https://imgur.com/a/GP4Qp

ok, so I have been looking at a couple of 12volt to 19volt step ups as a upgrade for the 224watt TEC's.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01H97ESAE/ref=sspa_dk_detail_4?psc=1
I don't know if the air coolers can handle the 224watt TEC's at 19volts but I think it is worth trying.
ok, a few nice things I like about the chill box. for years I have water cooled my PC systems, not just the CPU and video card but the memory, and motherboard. now I don't need to water cool the memory and motherboards any more. that saves me on having to get those water blocks.
https://imgur.com/a/5ONvU



ok, so I have all of my switches and boxes for them. I also have all of the relays, 3 X 12volt and 3 X 24volt. I am still waiting on one 24volt power supply.
ok so a couple of upgrades I may add to get this build more functional. I would like to add 4 X 480mm radiators to the build a split the hot side water loop into two loops. one loop with the 6 X 360mm radiators and 3 X blocks and the other loop with the 4 X 480mm radiators and 3 X blocks. this would allow my to run the 331watt TEC's at 26.4volts without over heating the hot side water loop. the air coolers are fine now with the TEC's at 13.2 volts but I think I will need to upgrade the fan on the air cooler when I add the 19volt step up. so I will get a 3000RPM fan at the same time. again this is just to see if the air coolers can handle the 224watt TEC at 19volts. it would be nice if the air cooler upgrade works, but it will be fine if it does not.
I am changing the design of one of the water cooled TEC assemblies, I will be using 6 X of the metal water blocks, to make one of the assemblies. the other assembly is 3 X of the XSPC water blocks, and 3 X of the metal water blocks.
ok, so currently I am setting this TEC water chiller to run at it's mid capacity of 1800watts. this should be enough cooling for me to run my PC with no issues. as I have stated, I will be doing some upgrades to this system, in a effort to allow me the option, of running this water chiller at it's high end capacity of 2700watts. it would be easy for me to turn the water chiller down to 1200watts, for a new PC system running at stock speeds.
while insulating the system I have noticed that the bolts and frames on the TEC assemblies carry a lot of coldness. I have not found a good solation for this, other than insulating the bolts and frames. I have tried plastic bolts, but I do not like the constant stress the bolt is under, I feel like it will snap in a couple of years.
I think I will just use all 6 power supplies, that way I am wiring two TEC's per power supply. I don't think it will hurt the system having the 12volt power supplies pulling 20amps each.
Edited by toolmaker03 - 11/19/17 at 7:59am
post #1655 of 1680
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ok so for the 480mm radiators I have been looking at two different ones the bitspower and the hardware labs.

https://www.amazon.com/Bitspower-Leviathan-Xtreme-Radiator-Ports/dp/B01EIS7PY8/ref=sr_1_8?ie=UTF8&qid=1511119609&sr=8-8&keywords=480mm+radiator

https://www.amazon.com/Black-Ice-nemesis-480GTX-Radiator/dp/B01636KLQM/ref=sr_1_5?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1511119998&sr=1-5&keywords=hardware+labs&dpID=417XZLEPrcL&preST=_SY300_QL70_&dpSrc=srch

they are both the same price, and seem to have similar performance. with one would you choose?

https://imgur.com/a/FLRaU

ok so having a completely flat surface does help, I did not crack any of my TEC's this time.
Edited by toolmaker03 - 11/19/17 at 12:11pm
post #1656 of 1680
If I remember right the Bitspower rads are just rebranded hard wear labs rads? Not sure though. I a a hard wear labs 560 GTX on my cpu loop and love it.
post #1657 of 1680
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ok so for the 480mm radiators I have been looking at two different ones the bitspower and the hardware labs.

https://www.amazon.com/Bitspower-Leviathan-Xtreme-Radiator-Ports/dp/B01EIS7PY8/ref=sr_1_8?ie=UTF8&qid=1511119609&sr=8-8&keywords=480mm+radiator

https://www.amazon.com/Black-Ice-nemesis-480GTX-Radiator/dp/B01636KLQM/ref=sr_1_5?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1511119998&sr=1-5&keywords=hardware+labs&dpID=417XZLEPrcL&preST=_SY300_QL70_&dpSrc=srch

they are both the same price, and seem to have similar performance. with one would you choose?

https://imgur.com/a/FLRaU

ok so having a completely flat surface does help, I did not crack any of my TEC's this time.

I have had a pair of the Black Ice GTXs in my rig for a few years and its been great. Got a third Nemesis in the closet as well that I never installed which is supposed to be way better for lower speed fans...keep in mind the older non-Nemesis GTX's are like 20FPI vs 16 on the Nemesis so they like medium-high speed fans.
Edited by Puck - 11/19/17 at 5:06pm
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post #1658 of 1680
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ok, so I will get a couple of the hardware labs radiators.
this is how I am thinking of doing the upgrade to the air coolers. I will get a nuctua 3000RPM 140mm fan, with a fan shroud.

https://www.amazon.com/Bearing-Cooling-NF-A14-iPPC-3000-PWM/dp/B00KFCRF1A/ref=pd_sim_147_1?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=CEW6E47HNMBJGSVDBQY4

https://www.amazon.com/Phobya-Shroud-Plexi-140mm-20mm/dp/B004CLFFLM/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1511244851&sr=1-1&keywords=140mm+fan+shroud

this should make the air coolers, very similar to this one.

https://www.amazon.com/Noctua-Premium-Cooler_Retail-Cooling-NH-C14S/dp/B00XUV3JTK/ref=sr_1_14?srs=2530014011&ie=UTF8&qid=1511244934&sr=8-14

I will need a PWM splitter, and the voltage step up, to finish the first test build.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00IF6R4C8/ref=ox_sc_act_title_2?smid=A3GO5VFCNOM5I7&psc=1
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01H97ESAE/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?smid=A1THAZDOWP300U&psc=1

if it works I will do the same to all 6 of the air coolers.

https://imgur.com/a/rxN2O





ok so I am changing the placement of the controls a little. I am placing the switches for the power supplies next to the power supplies. I am placing the PWM controllers behind that, and finally the relays will also be right next to the power supplies. I am also building a frame for three fan controllers to go on this side of the build. on the other side of the build, I will still have three fans controllers, all of the displays, and the PC power and reset buttons.
Edited by toolmaker03 - 11/22/17 at 12:16pm
post #1659 of 1680
The fan is a good choice but they are LOUD!! They do move a lot of air, I have the same ones on my 560 rad the HW Black Ice GTX and with the fin count on it, is something around 126 to 20 FPI and those fans move the air through them with little resistance.
post #1660 of 1680
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The fan is a good choice but they are LOUD!! They do move a lot of air, I have the same ones on my 560 rad the HW Black Ice GTX and with the fin count on it, is something around 126 to 20 FPI and those fans move the air through them with little resistance.

yes I realize that at 3000RPM's they will be loud. the good thing here is that with the TEC's at 13.2volts I can run the fans at 1500RPM's and be fine. I am getting the 140mm fans for the air coolers.as for the radiators setup I will have 4 X of the hardware labs 480mm radiators with a total of 32 corsair 120mm fans on them.

https://www.amazon.com/Corsair-SP120-High-Performance-Twin/dp/B007RESFYK/ref=sr_1_3?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1511386486&sr=1-3&keywords=corsair+fans

the radiators come to $600, a fan controller $100, all the fans $480, fittings $300, it adds up quick. (pumps, and reservoir I have.) tongue.gif

currently I am setting this system up to run at 1800watts worth of TEC cooling, I have everything I need to do that. after the system is fully functional I will start buying all the upgrades I need for this system so that I will be able to operate it at 2700watts with the same TEC's. to do that I need better fans than what are on the air coolers now, the fans on them now are 1600RPM 120mm fans. I will also need to upgrade the water cooling for the water cooled TEC's as the 6 X 360mm radiators will not handle 6 X TEC's running at 300watts each. the 6 X 360mm radiators will handle 3 X TEC's at 300watts each and hold the hot side water just below a 10C delta T. the 4 X 480mm radiators will be able to do the same with the other 3 X water cooled TEC's at 300watts each. my current setup of 6 X 360mm radiators can handle all 6 X TEC's at 200watts each and hold my hot side water to a 15C delta T or less. with all the upgrades added to this setup, I will be able to run the water cooled TEC's 26.4volts rather than the 19volts that they will be running at for now. I will also be able to run the air cooled TEC's at 19volts, rather than the 13.2 volts that they will be running at for now.
Edited by toolmaker03 - 11/22/17 at 2:22pm
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