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have a nice weekend, this week i will send the cpu back to replace it i hope the new 860k will work ok biggrin.gif
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thank you now i ve got it, mflash is to easily upgrade your bios
denebs and thubans what is so special with these cpus? years ago i remember a friend of mine that had a crazy rig with an amd thuban and it was like fast and furious cars, really wild cpu

so an amd 860k cpu can compete/beat/compared with the thuban OR not at all?


Having used and still using both an 860K is an upgrade over any Phenom II cpu. Couple that with it being on a much more modern platform and it is a no brainer.
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denebs and thubans what is so special with these cpus? years ago i remember a friend of mine that had a crazy rig with an amd thuban and it was like fast and furious cars, really wild cpu

so an amd 860k cpu can compete/beat/compared with the thuban OR not at all?
The Thuban is a six-core chip, actually a stock "Istanbul" Opteron core, made with the same low-k dielectric silicon, and put on a socket AM3. They were total beasts when they came out, but most software couldn't make good use of quadcores, let alone a six-core monster. A Thuban in many ways is a more useful chip now than it was four years ago.

Compared to an 860K, a Thuban will be noticeably faster if, and only if, you're running a workload that isn't AVX-aware and which can heavily utilize more than four cores. Running newer code with AVX instructions will cut heavily into Thuban's core-count advantage even when rendering. In the majority of real-world scenarios, a quadcore is enough, and the 860K will be faster than a Thuban.

A Deneb is just a regular quadcore Phenom II made on consumer silicon, not the low-k version used for Optys. Still good chips, but despite what some trolls on this forum would have you believe by posting out-of-era benchmarks, they are NOT faster than an 860K. They're still good enough to be useful, but not for high-end gaming.
     
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What I don't understand is why some keep going on about Phenom having a higher IPC than Vishera.

Stars cores have a more efficient, shorter instruction pipeline but max out much sooner. Clock for clock, they are slightly faster in tasks that don't use newer instruction sets than Vishera, and significantly faster than Zambezi. It makes no real difference in the end because the Vishera clocks so much higher with ease.

IPC in itself is irrelevant, IPS is all that matters. the IBM Cyrix chips had higher IPC than Intel's Pentium and AMD's K chips but due to not being able to clock high they were consigned to history as Pentiums and K's clocked much higher.

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IPC in itself is irrelevant, IPS is all that matters. the IBM Cyrix chips had higher IPC than Intel's Pentium and AMD's K chips but due to not being able to clock high they were consigned to history as Pentiums and K's clocked much higher.

Thanks for re-stating what I already wrote.
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IPC in itself is irrelevant, IPS is all that matters. the IBM Cyrix chips had higher IPC than Intel's Pentium and AMD's K chips but due to not being able to clock high they were consigned to history as Pentiums and K's clocked much higher.
That, and their terrible FPU performance that made them totally useless for DVD playback or gaming.

The Cyrix 6x86MX/MII line had a nice run that ended when they couldn't clock past 300 MHz, but they could have ruled the market for a few years if not for the dreadful FPU. Cyrix literally implemented an FPU design that they had originally developed for a 386 into these chips, and never improved it. Once 3D gaming became popular, Cyrix was only useful for people who just wanted a PC to get online or run business applications.

The 6x86 was the fastest CPU in the world when it was introduced. Then the Voodoo Graphics came out that same year, and the whole game (literally) changed.
     
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Thanks for re-stating what I already wrote.

 

As I merely added a further clarification to your post you are welcome.

 

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That, and their terrible FPU performance that made them totally useless for DVD playback or gaming.

The Cyrix 6x86MX/MII line had a nice run that ended when they couldn't clock past 300 MHz, but they could have ruled the market for a few years if not for the dreadful FPU. Cyrix literally implemented an FPU design that they had originally developed for a 386 into these chips, and never improved it. Once 3D gaming became popular, Cyrix was only useful for people who just wanted a PC to get online or run business applications.

The 6x86 was the fastest CPU in the world when it was introduced. Then the Voodoo Graphics came out that same year, and the whole game (literally) changed.

Totally forgot that part, thanks for reminding me. Gaming was totally different then, so much more fun.

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Yeah, but IPS greatly depends on core utilization/ software, unless you're just talking about one particular core.
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Totally forgot that part, thanks for reminding me. Gaming was totally different then, so much more fun.
Unless you were on a Cyrix, in which case it was no fun at all. I was upgrading Cyrix systems to better CPU's as recently as about 10 years ago. A K6-III could work wonders in a prebuilt with a Cyrix, and there were tons of those still in use as recently as the mid-2000s.

Even the K6 series wasn't all that great for gaming at first, although 3dfx cards made nice use of 3DNow optimization and helped a lot. By the time they went out of business, the Athlon was out and AMD was the king of the hill in x87 performance. Even the K6-III with its L3 cache capability (something never seen before in the x86 world and not to be seen again for several years after) was a powerhouse. I still have an old laptop I use for DOS games and 68K Mac emulation that's powered by a K6-III.
     
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Totally forgot that part, thanks for reminding me. Gaming was totally different then, so much more fun.
Unless you were on a Cyrix, in which case it was no fun at all. I was upgrading Cyrix systems to better CPU's as recently as about 10 years ago. A K6-III could work wonders in a prebuilt with a Cyrix, and there were tons of those still in use as recently as the mid-2000s.

Even the K6 series wasn't all that great for gaming at first, although 3dfx cards made nice use of 3DNow optimization and helped a lot. By the time they went out of business, the Athlon was out and AMD was the king of the hill in x87 performance. Even the K6-III with its L3 cache capability (something never seen before in the x86 world and not to be seen again for several years after) was a powerhouse. I still have an old laptop I use for DOS games and 68K Mac emulation that's powered by a K6-III.

You must be joking, people were still using Cyrix chips? I'd rather use those super overheating Pentium Overdrives than Cyrix, they were that bad.

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