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post #11 of 34
Yeah, agreed. I'm really hoping the Zen resurrects AMD. I'm doubtful it will, but I am so hoping that it does. I'd love to build an AMD CPU rig again. I haven't since the 965/970 was out. rolleyes.gif
     
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When I finished college, the AMD Phenom II 965 was the first CPU desktop rig I built since 2002 (I owned laptops during college). It is still a solid CPU.
 
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Count me in for still rocking a Phenom II X4 for the last ~6 yrs. biggrin.gif

Their still relevant to this day when OC'd imo.
 
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Originally Posted by mrawesome421 View Post

Count me in for still rocking a Phenom II X4 for the last ~6 yrs. biggrin.gif

Their still relevant to this day when OC'd imo.

Yeah I still have my old C2Q Q9550 in my HTPC @4ghz with 8gb of RAM and a 7950. Still holds up in modern games, but the chip is getting pretty old.

My Next CPU for sure will be a 6 Core or more. Going to wait for Zen to come out before I decide if I should go with that or a new Intel System. The 2600k doesn't struggle one bit so far.
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We still run several 965s here at the office. They still run run pretty much on par with the 4 core FX. Im not replacing them when i refresh the machines.
   
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The first-generation FX was a dog. We've all known that for years. I'd rather have a 965 than even an FX-6100, let alone a 4130. The second-generation FX is competitive with Phenom II's, and overclocked FX-83x0 chips beat anything you can do with Phenom II, even overclocked Thubans. But the only Bulldozers worth having are the FX-4170, because they overclock well (even BD is useful at close to 5 GHz), and the 8150, because even 98-pound weakling cores can get work done if you have eight of them.

One great thing about 965's is that when AMD pushed Deneb off the line to make Bulldozers, the last batch of them weren't really speed-binned. They knew all of them would do 3.4 with no problem, so they just marked them all as 965's and sold them. The manufacturing process was so refined by that time that nearly all of them are of X4 980 quality, and hit a stable 4 GHz with ease on a top-end motherboard. A 4 GHz Phenom II is still a very competitive part even today, every bit as good as an FX-4350.
     
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yeah the Phenom x4 965 was 4 true cores instead of the FX's two modules with only 2 floating point units. The Phenom II's IPC is supposedly slightly better than even Piledriver's, and certainly a good bit better than Bulldozer's was. Bulldozer has been known for awhile now to have been a failure pretty much. The FX 8 core bulldozer's are especially power hungry when overclocked.

For a secondary pc I'm debating on upgrading the installed Athlon x4 640 3ghz quad core to an FX 8320e, but I could get a Phenom x6 at half the price...with 6 true cores and 6 FPU's too.

Doing some modern gaming and usage tests in the near future with my Athlon x4 640 before deciding on upgrading or not, I could try to overclock some, it's only on a $30 cheap AM3+ ECS HDMI 760g motherboard I got cheap from newegg back in the summer though, don't want to risk going too high on it. At 3.4ghz or so, I imagine it couldn't be THAT far off from a newer Athlon x4 750k which is certainly good enough to play modern stuff with a good gpu for 1080p.
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yeah the Phenom x4 965 was 4 true cores instead of the FX's two modules with only 2 floating point units.

The problem of the FX is always the IPC and the internal architecture. The Phenom has 4x128bit FPU capability. An FX4xxx has also 4x128bit FPU capability.

Even in x264, which is mainly integer core operation, a 1090T at stock will slightly beat an FX6300 at stock. Or at least, it did so with the x264 version of about 2,5 years ago whenI had tested both on the exact same platform on multiple files. Even WEI, would score 0.1 higher on CPU with the 1090T.

Here, it gives the FX6300 2% faster:

http://www.cpu-world.com/Compare/324/AMD_FX-Series_FX-6300_vs_AMD_Phenom_II_X6_1090T.html

But it may be because they used more "evolved" x264 version. Bottom line is, even in a heavily integer operation, the 1090T is very competitive and often better. It's very fashionable to blame everything on the FPU, but it's not all FPU's fault and it's not that the FX has "half the floating points", because then you 'd have the 1090T beat by 50% the FX in all FPU tests.
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post #19 of 34
Im really glad I found this thread. Been contemplating upgrading to an FX for a long time now as my Phenom is now 6 years old and with the next gen consoles having equivalent to FX chips etc...

seems I shouldnt bother. Was so close to clicking 'buy now' on an 8350 but could never really justify it. This thread confirms my hesitations.

This is my current overclock. Yes it has naughty voltage but it's 100% stable, been like that for years and no signs of degredation yet. Still have C&C on so it doesnt run like this 24/7.

Highest temps are 56 degrees on coretemp with a 13 degree offset

post #20 of 34
1.645 Vcore Jeesus Christ. On the bright side, Zen should be on the market before 2017. Hopefully before October hits.
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