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unless they provide PROOF then that it has stabilised/matured i wont touch it thumb.gif

Considering they're using an android like release cycle. You won't see that anymore.

Android is far from "stable/matured" because everytime a new feature gets implemented it's a crap shoot in terms of compatibility with all these manufacturers. People seem to be fine with that.

Now do you uphold the new Windows to the same criteria?
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Windows 7 doesn't work with 'cutting edge hardware'? rolleyes.gif

None of the Windows systems do wink.gif

Traditionally some Linux flavor makes use of the new CPU extensions before Windows gets around to that.

Fortunately there is more to using PC's than sitting on the cutting edge and getting cuts tongue.gif Simple pleasures like gaming n ... stuff. For these even Vista is sort of still live although with some limp and rattling cough.
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I am being serious. Try and see how windows 10 runs on asus laptops and you'll see how many issues people have come across.
None so far on my ASUS craptop......

YMMV tho.
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This is probably buried, but for me, XP is the gold standard. Windows 7 took what made XP so perfect and modernized it just enough and made it slick enough that it was a true upgrade over XP, and not some weird sideshow.

I love windows 7. I dislike 8 and have only touched 10 on my wife's laptop. I prefer 7 because it is what I have grown up with and am comfortable using.
     
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their goign to pay hackers to sell their crap like valve pays hackers to sell their anti hack crap and all the anti-this that OS what4ever does that to claim its someone else fault and they take offense.

i didnt buy a computer to deal with losers. Ill use it and develop my own working software. period. i dont need losers who put out lies to sell junk.

or im going to go back to win98
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All I can say is that Dell did not offer any other OS option besides Windows 10 Home when ordering my new Laptop.

I will keep 7 on my desktop for as long as I can.
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All I can say is that Dell did not offer any other OS option besides Windows 10 Home when ordering my new Laptop.

I will keep 7 on my desktop for as long as I can.

Not sure where you live so this might not apply to you, but many people don't realize nor will retailers admit it but in the EU you can demand that the PC(desk-/laptop) comes without an OS at a reduced price. Sadly I've had to go as far as talking to management to get it done eventhough it's the law.
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Consumers Warn Windows 10 Has Serious Problems.

What now? Steam OS? Buy a Mac? Go outside and get a new hobby?
Maybe computers aren't worth the trouble. Microsoft is seriously hurting the PC industry, but maybe that's what they want if they're trying to move to a hardware based sales model.
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Not sure where you live so this might not apply to you, but many people don't realize nor will retailers admit it but in the EU you can demand that the PC(desk-/laptop) comes without an OS at a reduced price. Sadly I've had to go as far as talking to management to get it done eventhough it's the law.

Wow! You guys have some awesome laws across the pond... I live in Canada, where that is probably not an option.

No bother, though, like a good little mindless drone, I will just have to get used to it. Like the Windows 10 apologists keep shoving down our throats.
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im waiting for sp1, right now its just a rolling beta test thumb.gif

There will be no SP1 from all indications. W10 is a service and will constantly be evolving.


They changed their PR slightly, but underneath they are doing things in mostly the same way - even PR-wise when you get to the bottom of it - in terms of product development. SP1 has been announced a long time ago, it's "Redstone". It's not naive why they gave it a name and sites have been talking about it for so long - since April 7th of 2015, almost four months before Windows 10 even hit RTM!

In the same way that Windows 8 had a service pack called Windows 8.1, and then another one called 8.1 Update. Their terminology has been all over the place in recent years but the content is there. Since Windows XP SP2 in 2004 service packs have packed more than just a collection of bug patches + support for new platforms and technologies. Some of them are also called Platform Updates.

Also, a lot of people consider Threshold 2 (aka November Update / Windows 10 1511) the real RTM and that they released the OS earlier than desirable to catch the back to school period.


The tech media has a short memory when it comes to talking about how fast Microsoft is now going to release updates compared to the past. This isn't exactly new. Back in the late 90's / early 2000's they had four (five if you count Windows 2000) successive yearly releases: 98, 98 SE (1999), ME (2000) and XP (2001).

As to keeping only Windows 10 supported, is it going to be that simple? It begs the question: how many different Windows 10's are they going to be supporting? Enterprise can update when they want to, Pro users can defer feature upgrades for 8 months and I'm still waiting to see what kind of support they will be giving to all the older systems running Windows 7 and 8.1 that they are now nagging people to upgrade.

There are two things that tell me it's not going to be that simple: first of all those three conditions that they list in the asterisk in the lifecycle fact sheet page I've talked about before, and then it's the fact that they append the date to Windows 10 in the table. It's not Windows 10, but "Windows 10, released in July 2015", so it's more than likely that more "Windows 10, released in MM-yyyy" entries are going to be a reality on that support period table in some time.


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Consumers Warn Windows 10 Has Serious Problems.

What now? Steam OS? Buy a Mac? Go outside and get a new hobby?
Maybe computers aren't worth the trouble. Microsoft is seriously hurting the PC industry, but maybe that's what they want if they're trying to move to a hardware based sales model.


They are not doing that well despite what one may think with the Surface line.

People are calling the iPad Pro disappointing and saying that the Surface is moderately successful, but the truth is that to assess those opinions maybe it would help to know that in the last quarter the iPad Pro sold more units that the whole Surface line-up combined and the iPad Pro wasn't even launched at the beginning of the quarter.

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But what if iPad Pro wasn't a failure? What if those pundits were wrong? Microsoft's Surface line has been viewed as a success -- part of the company's turnaround story. With that said, would you be surprised if I told you that the iPad Pro significantly beat the Surface during the holidays? Well, it is true. The perception of weak iPad Pro sales was exactly that -- perception only. The reality is, iPad Pro destroyed Surface in Q415.

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Jean Philippe Bouchard, Research Director, Tablets at IDC explains, "one of the biggest reasons why detachables are growing so fast is because end users are seeing those devices as PC replacements. We believe Apple sold just over two million iPad Pros while Microsoft sold around 1.6 million Surface devices, a majority of which were Surface Pro and not the more affordable Surface 3. With these results, it's clear that price is not the most important feature considered when acquiring a detachable -- performance is".
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Think about it folks. Apple sold 2 million iPad Pro computers, compared to 1.6 million Surface tablets. These sales figures only include the Pro variant of Apple's tablet, while Microsoft's total includes all Surface variants. This makes Apple's sales much more impressive.

Taking it a step further, and making it even more amazing, the iPad Pro did not go on sale until mid-November. This means Surface had a month-and-a-half head start for Q415 and still lost. Yikes.

http://betanews.com/2016/02/01/if-apple-ipad-pro-is-a-failure-why-did-it-beat-microsoft-surface-in-sales/
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