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I remember when Steelseries first started.
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I agree. Companies cant really cater to niche markets. And here's why.

We pay 50 bucks for a basic mouse with 5 buttons and a good sensor. The profit margin on that mouse is x amount of percent. Not in order to fund the company they need to sell y amount of mice in a crowded and oversaturated market.

And here lies the biggest problem. The company must look at ways at trying to justify a price increase for the product they release while aiming to hit the x amount of units needed to be shipped.
And here is the simplest solution to that problem. And I will bring back the car analogy.

A VW Polo base model costs 10grand. Now if you want climate control, navigation unit, parking camera and so on - you are looking at a 15grand price tag. VW has no interest in selling the base model. It has a low profit margin. Rather it want you to sell the car loaded with features. And charge you 2grand for the navigation unit instead of the normal radio. But the cost for VW of the navi unit and hte base radio unit is (surprise) almost the same. The difference is around 20euro. But because the car has x amount of features, we can afford to hike theprice of the car.

Going back to mice. No one would really buy a basic 5 button mouse for 100usd. Well a niche market would, but we need the mass consumer. So how do we fix this? We add cheap additional features that sort of allow us to justify the higher price tag. And make those features seem cool and neccesary to the everyday player.

Result - we have a mouse that costs slightlymore to manufacture than the rival 300, but costs nearly double. And since we have loaded up on gimmicks, we can now advertise them and the unsespecting buyer will suddenly understand, that a 64 by 64 pixel display on a mouse has been exactly whats been stopping him from becoming the next heaton or cooller.

When you factor niche market you expect to ship a low amount of mice and that pushes the price of the mouse higher. And in order to be able to do that you need some other feature that will sell your product. Ie Zowie has been succesful at this.

Basically expect future SS mice to have sat navs
post #182 of 195
Weight is now listed as 135g on the official site. Did they see all the furor about it being a brick and change the listed weight from mouse + cable to mouse - cable to try and make it look better on paper?
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post #183 of 195
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Weight is now listed as 135g on the official site. Did they see all the furor about it being a brick and change the listed weight from mouse + cable to mouse - cable to try and make it look better on paper?


I dont know, on rival 300 is 130g, and thats with cable included.
post #184 of 195

We all know this mouse is going to be G502 heavy. The question is how much weight can be stripped off. We won't know that until we can see the internal construction. If 30g can be removed then I'll be impressed and would see this as a viable mouse albeit with no warranty.


Edited by Dreyka - 2/18/16 at 3:47am
post #185 of 195
Looks like a notable portion of the weight will be from modular sensor housing both in the base and around the sensor. I wonder what 3360 comparable sensor they plan to offer along side the included sensor. +50 for PTE?
post #186 of 195
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Looks like a notable portion of the weight will be from modular sensor housing both in the base and around the sensor. I wonder what 3360 comparable sensor they plan to offer along side the included sensor. +50 for PTE?

 

I don't why they're doing modular sensors on a mouse to begin with. It's already got the best sensor on the market and to the average consumer they aren't going to swap a 16,000 CPI sensor with another one anyway. Seems like a gimmick dreamed up by marketing.

 

I'd understand modular sensors on a cheaper mouse so you can pay Steelseries to upgrade the sensor (PMW-3310 to PMW-3360).


Edited by Dreyka - 2/18/16 at 5:31am
post #187 of 195
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Originally Posted by VolsAndJezuz View Post

Weight is now listed as 135g on the official site. Did they see all the furor about it being a brick and change the listed weight from mouse + cable to mouse - cable to try and make it look better on paper?

That's pretty likely since the difference between the two weights seems about right for a cable. And another reason for them to change that is because the two cables are different lengths so it doesn't make much sense to list the weight with just one of them.
post #188 of 195
When the marketing first started on this I wasn't to keen on the whole rumble option, doesn't really do much for me. I wonder, if you didn't care about warranty, how hard it would be and if it would affect anything to remove that motor and how much weight it would save?

I love the rival shape, but this really needs some slimfast. Maybe I'll let someone else be the test dummy before I try it out.
post #189 of 195
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Originally Posted by JSK23 View Post

When the marketing first started on this I wasn't to keen on the whole rumble option, doesn't really do much for me. I wonder, if you didn't care about warranty, how hard it would be and if it would affect anything to remove that motor and how much weight it would save?

I love the rival shape, but this really needs some slimfast. Maybe I'll let someone else be the test dummy before I try it out.

the rival 700 is a little shorter, and a little thinner than the rival 300

rival 700
Height: 124.85mm, 4.92in
Width: 68.46mm, 2.70 in

rival 300
Height: 133 mm, 5.23 in
Width: 70 mm, 2.76 in
post #190 of 195
That's a pretty significant difference in length. May not cater as well to users with larger hands (a big market segment for the original).

Not to mention, since it's "stubbier" overall that means the weight will be more concentrated, making it feel even heavier. Oh SS.
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