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post #121 of 159
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Originally Posted by Zenith Phantasm View Post

They said designed with input by pros which is clearly not the case. Maybe for the ambi but not for ergo.

can you prove it didn't have input from pros? just cause it was oem doesn't mean it didn't have input from good players
post #122 of 159
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Still there.

The pic doesn't show for me.
It does that for embedded quotes. You gotta look at the original (source) post.
post #123 of 159
How about they prove that the shape was made with input from pros? I clearly can not call up the OEM that originally designed the shape. How you like that for reverse psychology?
post #124 of 159
"Designed with input from pros" doesn't mean as much as you think. There's no legal thing where it means a pro had to spend X hours with them in some actual process involving design software and something 100% original. The following conversation would count:

FM: hey we're gonna use OEM shape 315 here from this factory, do you want us to change it in some way
pro: iunno, maybe put holes in the thumb groove, i don't care really


Heck, I imagine it counts even if the pro says "just use the OEM shell as-is." This whole thing is the same reason they leave the BS weight listings on the site/amazon. Yeah, if you use the method everyone else does the mice are 10-13g heavier and lose part of their marketing, but technically they aren't lying since they can just say "well that's how we measure things here, maybe everyone else should do that too."
Edited by a_ak57 - 2/6/16 at 6:13am
post #125 of 159
yeah i assume that it's used very lightly.
i think that if a company asks a pro what shapes he would like to see, and the pro answers "i like ambi shapes", then it probably already counts.
it wouldn't even surprise me if companies don't even always have an actual conversation with a pro, before claiming that pro input was used.

i guess that the 'secret ingredient' to selling lots of mice is convincing those leet gamer teens that pros have given those products a thumbs up
wouldn't surprise me if the biggest sale numbers actually come from a n0thing or a scream using your mouse, and then they make a quick youtube clip about the gear that they use.
because i assume that that's how a lot of 'gamers' get their stuff.. they google what pros use.
post #126 of 159
the main point is they only claimed the shape had input from pros, which no one here can really disprove. burden of proof is on us anyways to prove it wasn't designed by pros. basically if that shell had any input or decision making from any pro player, their claim is legitimate

it shows how much people wanna hate companies. "finalmouse is crap they lied and said they made their own shell" - when they never claimed to begin with

lol
Edited by wmoftw - 2/6/16 at 7:25am
post #127 of 159
It seems like you're missing the point, people are upset because their marketing is supposed to make people think that they designed a mouse shape and got input from people we should trust, when really they just slightly modified the OEM version of the Razer Imperator. No, they are not lying since there's no real definition to designing, but it falls in the same realm as the listed weight thing. People don't like that kind of marketing.
post #128 of 159
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Originally Posted by a_ak57 View Post

It seems like you're missing the point, people are upset because their marketing is supposed to make people think that they designed a mouse and got input from people we should trust when really they just slightly modified the OEM version of the Razer Imperator. No, they are not lying, but it falls in the same realm as the listed weight thing. People don't like that kind of marketing.

the listed weight thing is actually a legitimate issue, they should work on fixing that and making it accurate.

the oem shell issue is nothing but a personal issue. if people are made to think they completely designed the shape, that's the users problem and not FM's. they never claimed they made the shell or designed it, hence the wording on their site. as mentioned before, they haven't lied about anything on their site, it's just nit-picky stuff.
post #129 of 159
There's nothing to "work on fixing" with the weight. They know it's misleading but legally fine; it's something they did on purpose. That's why I say it's in the same vein, they know that plenty of people don't know every mouse that has come out and will think that this FM shape is actually something they designed from the ground up because that's typically how such marketing works. When someone tells you they designed something, your first thought isn't that they very slightly modified an existing product, it's that they actually designed most or all of it. But like I said, most people will have no idea it's really just the Imperator and will think it's actually a new shape, and those are the people the marketing is aimed towards.

It's the same as weight. You may be upset about that but it's basically the same. They didn't lie about anything there. There is no standard for what a weight listing means. Some companies just list the weight with cable and call it "weight" and others list without cable and call it "weight." There's technically no difference with what FM is doing. But you're aware it's a lame way of marketing designed to take advantage of people who don't know better and just trust that FM is a cool innovative company i.e. the same thing as "a shape designed in collaboration with Pros."
post #130 of 159
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Originally Posted by a_ak57 View Post

When someone tells you they designed something

and we're back at square one

showed me where they said they designed the shell

also "fixing" the weight just means making the mouse lighter or updating the weight on the website.
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