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we already have a ~$385 hexacore, i7-5820K.
it would be stupid not to release another one with a similar price.
Umm, that's the one I was speaking of. the prices for B-E hasn't been set in stone as of yet, just speculations....smile.gif
Edited by carlhil2 - 1/30/16 at 2:08am
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Ah yes, the "review" where he praises Intel profusely for their hard locked 18-core, that is effectively a ZR-1 Corvette with a 55mph speed limiter on it...rolleyes.gif
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Umm, that's the one I was speaking of. the prices for B-E hasn't been set in stone as of yet, just speculations....smile.gif

if they aren't adding a eDRAM then we can expect it with a price of $350~$450.
but if they add an eDRAM, we'd end up with a ~$200 overhead, or $550~$650 for a hexacore BW-E with eDRAM.

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Ah yes, the "review" where he praises Intel profusely for their hard locked 18-core, that is effectively a ZR-1 Corvette with a 55mph speed limiter on it...rolleyes.gif

thats a bad analogy, its more like comparing a 300mph V8 400hp to a 200mph V16 800hp.
the V12 800hp will have a monstrous acceleration time, despite the 200mph maximum speed.
imagine such an engine would take you from 0~200mph in just a second, where as the V8 would need 3seconds to reach 300mph.

a car with such an engine would be far more effective on a curvy uphill track.
Edited by epic1337 - 1/30/16 at 8:54am
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Frankly price per core was constant for Intel's CPU, 2*more cores means 2* higher price for CPU. Either something forces Intel to drop prices of quad cores, aka mainstream, or you gotta be kidding price for 10 core CPU would be a reality.
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thats a bad analogy, its more like comparing a 300mph V8 400hp to a 200mph V16 800hp.
the V12 800hp will have a monstrous acceleration time, despite the 200mph maximum speed.
imagine such an engine would take you from 0~200mph in just a second, where as the V8 would need 2seconds to reach 300mph.

a car with such an engine would be far more effective on a curvy uphill track.

Meh. The point I'm trying to make is that the E5-2699 V3 is a very premium product that's unable to be used at anywhere near it's full potential due to it being hard locked. In that "review" he gushes all over the chip, praising it multiple times, even though it's hard locked at a fraction of it's potential, and therefore nearly completely useless to most enthusiasts.

He was getting 51deg C under full load with a dinky 120mm AIO water cooler with that chip at default clocks. Just imagine what that chip could do if it were unlocked and used with a custom top quality watercooling setup...the thought makes me start to drool uncontrollably. It would very likely hit at least 4.0GHz without much effort at all under good water. I better stop now while I'm ahead...I'm starting to get angry again with Intel for refusing to unlock even the top SKU only. That's all I want is the top SKU unlocked...mad.gif
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Frankly price per core was constant for Intel's CPU, 2*more cores means 2* higher price for CPU. Either something forces Intel to drop prices of quad cores, aka mainstream, or you gotta be kidding price for 10 core CPU would be a reality.
because going from 6 cores to 8 there was totally a price jump.....
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because going from 6 cores to 8 there was totally a price jump.....

I don't care what they want to charge for it. Nice things cost money. I'd gladly pay the $4.5k for the 18-core if it came unlocked. Gladly. And if they made a top core count, fully enabled, platinum bin level, super yield chip (most golden of the golden samples) that was completely unlocked (base and turbo multipliers)...I'd gladly pay $10k for such a chip.
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Meh. The point I'm trying to make is that the E5-2699 V3 is a very premium product that's unable to be used at anywhere near it's full potential due to it being hard locked. In that "review" he gushes all over the chip, praising it multiple times, even though it's hard locked at a fraction of it's potential, and therefore nearly completely useless to most enthusiasts.

He was getting 51deg C under full load with a dinky 120mm AIO water cooler with that chip at default clocks. Just imagine what that chip could do if it were unlocked and used with a custom top quality watercooling setup...the thought makes me start to drool uncontrollably. It would very likely hit at least 4.0GHz without much effort at all under good water. I better stop now while I'm ahead...I'm starting to get angry again with Intel for refusing to unlock even the top SKU only. That's all I want is the top SKU unlocked...mad.gif

Unlocked Xeons won't happen ever again. With the amount of them that Intel moves, how often they're upgraded in datacenters, and how relatively small performance increases have been per generation, they would sacrifice a lot of their HEDT sales if they unlocked them. Look at how cheap 8c/16t Sandy Bridge-EP Xeons are right now:



http://www.ebay.com/itm/Intel-Xeon-CPU-E5-2670-SR0KX-2-60GHz-Eight-Core-LGA2011-20MB-CPU-Processor-QTY-1-/262118101167?hash=item3d0774d0af:g:pdwAAOSw~bFWMpH3

It would be like X58 all over again with everyone going from 4c 9#0s to 6c X56#0s after a few years.
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Unlocked Xeons won't happen ever again. With the amount of them that Intel moves, how often they're upgraded in datacenters, and how relatively small performance increases have been per generation, they would sacrifice a lot of their HEDT sales if they unlocked them. Look at how cheap 8c/16t Sandy Bridge-EP Xeons are right now:



http://www.ebay.com/itm/Intel-Xeon-CPU-E5-2670-SR0KX-2-60GHz-Eight-Core-LGA2011-20MB-CPU-Processor-QTY-1-/262118101167?hash=item3d0774d0af:g:pdwAAOSw~bFWMpH3

It would be like X58 all over again with everyone going from 4c 9#0s to 6c X56#0s after a few years.

Sandy Bridge-EP Xeons are cheap because they're next to useless. Some enthusiasts used to pickup old Xeons and overclock the crap out of them long after they were retired, but many bought Xeons instead when they were new over an i7 due to their superior binning.

All I want is the top bin Xeon SKU to be unlocked, not all Xeons. Unlocking only the very top SKU would harm exactly nothing as their volume as compared to all Xeons is quite small. If someone wants to spend $4.5k on a CPU and a small change like an unlock makes that CPU far more attractive to them, is that not preferable than only offering them a $1k CPU?

Intel is beginning to see that some people want more (and in some cases far more) than the top HEDT CPU offers...and are willing to pay dearly for it. This is why this new 10-core is being trialled at the $1500 price point. Substantial enough sales of these niche products at higher price points will make them consider higher core counts in the future, for a price, of course. The reason why we don't have $1500 processors already is due to the failed QX9775 experiment where Intel tried to market a premium product at that price point once before. They failed because enthusiasts aren't stupid...they took the cheap, low speed Xeons available and overclocked the crap out of them on the D5400XS. D5400XS sales were good from what I read....QX9775 sales.....less so.

This time of course a premium product is being offered with no real cheap alternative (like an overclockable and cheap LGA771 Xeon) being around. The unlocked 10-core will sell very well...and Intel will be quite surprised at this. They may then consider offering more higher core count unlocked chips in the future at higher price points. If they decide to do this, the chips may stay branded as i7s or become a unique brand like Xeon Extreme Edition or something similar to better justify a top echelon price, but still keeps them distinct from the mainstream Xeons.

I hope and pray such chips come to pass...wink.gif
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Sandy Bridge-EP Xeons are cheap because they're next to useless. Some enthusiasts used to pickup old Xeons and overclock the crap out of them long after they were retired, but many bought Xeons instead when they were new over an i7 due to their superior binning.

All I want is the top bin Xeon SKU to be unlocked, not all Xeons. Unlocking only the very top SKU would harm exactly nothing as their volume as compared to all Xeons is quite small. If someone wants to spend $4.5k on a CPU and a small change like an unlock makes that CPU far more attractive to them, is that not preferable than only offering them a $1k CPU?

Intel is beginning to see that some people want more (and in some cases far more) than the top HEDT CPU offers...and are willing to pay dearly for it. This is why this new 10-core is being trialled at the $1500 price point. Substantial enough sales of these niche products at higher price points will make them consider higher core counts in the future, for a price, of course. The reason why we don't have $1500 processors already is due to the failed QX9775 experiment where Intel tried to market a premium product at that price point once before. They failed because enthusiasts aren't stupid...they took the cheap, low speed Xeons available and overclocked the crap out of them on the D5400XS. D5400XS sales were good from what I read....QX9775 sales.....less so.

This time of course a premium product is being offered with no real cheap alternative (like an overclockable and cheap LGA771 Xeon) being around. The 10-core will sell very well...and Intel will be quite surprised at this. They may then consider offering more higher core count unlocked chips in the future at higher price points. If they decide to do this, the chips may stay branded as i7s or become a unique brand like Xeon Extreme Edition or something similar to better justify a top echelon price, but still keeps them distinct from the mainstream Xeons.

I hope and pray such chips come to pass...wink.gif

I wouldn't say they're next to useless... Not sure how one would come to that conclusion.

Them offering the highest end Xeon as an unlocked i7 would be cool, don't see anything like that happening again though.
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