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And whose fault is that?

AMD's quite frankly. Same reasons why Intel has a near monopoly on the CPU market.

ALL companies want a monopoly, but are only stopped by competition or the US regulators who might breakup the company.
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Nvidia has always been the default choice for many many years.

Truth, even when AMD were leading on the technology, performance, power consumption and features front. The power of marketing.
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AMD's quite frankly. Same reasons why Intel has a near monopoly on the CPU market.

ALL companies want a monopoly, but are only stopped by competition or the US regulators who might breakup the company.

The biggest problem with AMD is time in the market. The most recent blow was GTX980/970. People got super excited about these cards especially GTX970. They were getting $500+ Nvidia performance for $330. Funny thing 290 and 290X still very competitive with GTX970 and even cheaper. Thats just the power of having larger market share. Before that 290X/290 came 2 years after HD 7970. That is way too long. If they had come around the same time as GTX780 it would have been a better fight. So for the past 3 big card launches AMD has either been late aka Fury X or not present in case of GTX980. That is not the problem here. The problem is that even if AMD makes a better card than Nvidia and release it first in the market aka (HD 58XX) they always run out of stock and can't monopolize. They did release HD 7970 2 months before Nvidias GTX680 but it seemed that was not enough and people did not like $550 price from AMD. Basically all the changes Nvidia has made have influenced the market positively for them. Anything AMD has tried to do has backfired on them. All they are trying to do now is follow what Nvidia has been doing.
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Truth, even when AMD were leading on the technology, performance, power consumption and features front. The power of marketing.
It's quite funny to read this kind of comments from AMD's fans : nVidia only win because of their better marketing.
No need to talk about irresponsible AMD management, subpar execution with crazies delays, inferior products, inferior drivers team, irresponsible rebranding fever, etc...
No, No... It's just because nVidia got a better marketing. Autosuggestion at his best.
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The biggest problem with AMD is time in the market. The most recent blow was GTX980/970. People got super excited about these cards especially GTX970. They were getting $500+ Nvidia performance for $330. Funny thing 290 and 290X still very competitive with GTX970 and even cheaper. Thats just the power of having larger market share. Before that 290X/290 came 2 years after HD 7970. That is way too long. If they had come around the same time as GTX780 it would have been a better fight. So for the past 3 big card launches AMD has either been late aka Fury X or not present in case of GTX980. That is not the problem here. The problem is that even if AMD makes a better card than Nvidia and release it first in the market aka (HD 58XX) they always run out of stock and can't monopolize. They did release HD 7970 2 months before Nvidias GTX680 but it seemed that was not enough and people did not like $550 price from AMD. Basically all the changes Nvidia has made have influenced the market positively for them. Anything AMD has tried to do has backfired on them. All they are trying to do now is follow what Nvidia has been doing.

I think you are overlooking some of the problems with the 200 series at the time, they were:

power hungry
loud
ran hot
limited availability
Xfire drivers

The 200 series was extremely hard to find for a large portion of their early time on the market for most gamers. It was the mining community that was buying the series in droves, in fact supply didnt return to normal until around the same time that the 900 series was ready to release. The supply constraints left the cards with a high purchase cost until the mining community fell apart and the second hand market was flooded with the cards. By the time the market stabalized there wasnt much room for adoption of the 200 series.


I personally consider the 7970 to be one of best gpu releases in the last decade. The card itself was able to compete with Nvidia for quite some time, I agree that AMD should of used this time to capture more of the market though.
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It's quite funny to read this kind of comments from AMD's fans : nVidia only win because of their better marketing.
No need to talk about irresponsible AMD management, subpar execution with crazies delays, inferior products, inferior drivers team, irresponsible rebranding fever, etc...
No, No... It's just because nVidia got a better marketing. Autosuggestion at his best.

I think marketing has a lot to do with why mainstream consumers flat out prefer Nvidia. Nvidia's marketing simply eclipses AMD by a large margin. For the overall market base I believe its simply a matter of resources. AMD cannot compete with the resources that Nvidia has available to devote to software, drivers, R&D, marketing, partnerships, etc.

The notion that Nvidia "doesnt play fair", is perhaps accurate to some extent; though by far the larger problem is that their main competition doesnt have the ability to compete on the same level.
Edited by Woundingchaney - 1/20/16 at 10:29am
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More frustrating is any trip to a brick-and-mortar store, where Joe Blow buys his GPU. You have shelves and shelves of Nvidia cards, and maybe 2 or 3 AMDs, none of them Furies.

You could argue that this is customer demand driving this, but frankly it's AMD's poor relationship with the channel and low output that creates this problem. Given a full range of AMDs on the shelves next to the full range of Nvidia cards, you would see customers-- and the local sales goon-- start to compare like-for-like and realize the price/performance advantage that AMD has in everything but the top-tier GPU.

Nvidia still outperforms AMD in online sales as well, but I do think that's just an extension of the unbalanced supply situation and the complete invisibility of AMD cards in the channel.

On-topic, here's hoping that a head start would allow AMD to produce Polaris in volume and avoid the GCN 3 supply issues.
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I think you are overlooking some of the problems with the 200 series at the time, they were:

power hungry
loud
ran hot
limited availability
Xfire drivers

The 200 series was extremely hard to find for a large portion of their early time on the market for most gamers. It was the mining community that was buying the series in droves, in fact supply didnt return to normal until around the same time that the 900 series was ready to release. The supply constraints left the cards with a high purchase cost until the mining community fell apart and the second hand market was flooded with the cards. By the time the market stabalized there wasnt much room for adoption of the 200 series.


I personally consider the 7970 to be one of best gpu releases in the last decade. The card itself was able to compete with Nvidia for quite some time, I agree that AMD should of used this time to capture more of the market though.
I think marketing has a lot to do with why mainstream consumers flat out prefer Nvidia. Nvidia's marketing simply eclipses AMD by a large margin. For the overall market base I believe its simply a matter of resources. AMD cannot compete with the resources that Nvidia has available to devote to software, drivers, R&D, marketing, partnerships, etc.

The notion that Nvidia "doesnt play fair", is perhaps accurate to some extent; though by far the larger problem is that their main competition doesnt have the ability to compete on the same level.

Power ? Not really a problem vs GTX780 Ti. Loid yes but aftermarket cooling fixxed the problem. Mining? Yes problem but why did AMD not build more and saturate the market? If Nvidia where in the same position they would have produced so much cards.
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It's quite funny to read this kind of comments from AMD's fans : nVidia only win because of their better marketing.
No need to talk about irresponsible AMD management, subpar execution with crazies delays, inferior products, inferior drivers team, irresponsible rebranding fever, etc...
No, No... It's just because nVidia got a better marketing. Autosuggestion at his best.

Radeon HD 5870. Your arguments are invalidated.

As for Rebranding... 9800GTX, 8800GT, 9800GTX+ etc.

We've seen rebranding from both brands.
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Radeon HD 5870. Your arguments are invalidated.

As for Rebranding... 9800GTX, 8800GT, 9800GTX+ etc.

We've seen rebranding from both brands.
You're wasting your time with Olivon. He's chosen his side of the fence a long time ago.
    
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It's quite funny to read this kind of comments from AMD's fans : nVidia only win because of their better marketing.
No need to talk about irresponsible AMD management, subpar execution with crazies delays, inferior products, inferior drivers team, irresponsible rebranding fever, etc...
No, No... It's just because nVidia got a better marketing. Autosuggestion at his best.

Nvidia in the position that they are now would still win over AMD even if their next GPUs are identical to AMD in performance/price/features, at least one generation of inferior products and late to release GPU. Basically for Nvidia to lose to AMD they have to get a slower card out after AMD and do this 2 times in the row. AMD just cant seem to beat Nvidia 2 times in the row. They do it once but that is not enough to break 50% market share. If they dont break 50% market share they will always lose.
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