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You're wasting your time with Olivon. He's chosen his side of the fence a long time ago.
You're partially right.
Since the 7970 and FX-8320 (I already got this one), AMD fail to seduce me but I got the impression I'm not the only one.
I really hope that Polaris and Zen will change this trend because I love the competition and changing brands very often is not a problem at all.
I'm just not agree with Mahigan's comment reducing nVidia's domination to a simple marketing questions. AMD did commit faults and they have their responsabilty engaged in the last 2 years disappointment.
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The thing is, for me, since I started buying graphics cards in 1998, is the software support (ie. the drivers work).

You spend hundreds on hardware, and the last thing you want is it gimped by bad drivers.

nVidia constantly updates drivers and fixes issues. AMD has a history of, well not doing that.

I've seen no many news stories of AMD cards having some sort of basic bugs in new titles and only to have then takes weeks or months to fix. Whereas nVidia, to their credit, actively works with devs to make sure their cards perform well when a titles launches.

If an nvidia card costs a few more $ for the better driver support, it's well worth it.

AMD shot themselves in to the foot, not nvidia's marketing. I don't want a company to have a monopoly on the market because they start making dumb, arrogant decisions. I don't think Gameworks is bad, perse, because game devs are the ones making the decision to use them. I prefer open source solutions like what AMD is doing.

I'm not a "fan" of nVidia, but there is a reason why all my GPU's since my old Voodoo card have been nVidia - they usually have a better, overall product.
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The thing is, for me, since I started buying graphics cards in 1998, is the software support (ie. the drivers work).

You spend hundreds on hardware, and the last thing you want is it gimped by bad drivers.

nVidia constantly updates drivers and fixes issues. AMD has a history of, well not doing that.

I've seen no many news stories of AMD cards having some sort of basic bugs in new titles and only to have then takes weeks or months to fix. Whereas nVidia, to their credit, actively works with devs to make sure their cards perform well when a titles launches.

If an nvidia card costs a few more $ for the better driver support, it's well worth it.

AMD shot themselves in to the foot, not nvidia's marketing. I don't want a company to have a monopoly on the market because they start making dumb, arrogant decisions. I don't think Gameworks is bad, perse, because game devs are the ones making the decision to use them. I prefer open source solutions like what AMD is doing.

I'm not a "fan" of nVidia, but there is a reason why all my GPU's since my old Voodoo card have been nVidia - they usually have a better, overall product.

If drivers were that much better with Nvidia then everyone would be using Nvidia. Problem is not Single GPU. If you are having major problem with single GPUs then you are doing it wrong. Driver show up when you have more than 1 card. Here AMD is very weak right now. Not sure about SLI. Some say it perfect, some say its so so and some say its broken. Unless I test it myself I dont recommend people either solution unless you have the fastest single GPU.
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Truth, even when AMD were leading on the technology, performance, power consumption and features front. The power of marketing.

No doubt Nvidia has a brand advantage, but AMD has failed to execute what worked for them in the past and tried to imitate their competitors behavior when their brand was not there and it backfired. This failed execution hurt their brand and has lead to an increasing gap in brand perception. Each of these missed opportunities and failed executions by AMD has lead to big gains for Nvidia( Financially and for the brand) when Nvidia played a slightly aggressive move.

E.g AMD rebrands the 290x and 290 into 390x and 390(and much of the other cards), takes away the game bundle initially, adds a 30 percent price increase and expect this to go well, after such a delayed response in an incredibly saturated market. This is not marketing on nvidia part, this is just AMD being run badly. All Nvidia had to do was lower the price of the gtx 980 a bit, add a new game bundle and it curbed AMD sales.

In addition, most of the points you mentioned are arguable with features, performance(particularly this one) and technology being the biggest debates. AMD hasn't had the performance crown for a GPU when both companies had the same generation of product out for a very long time. The closest AMD has gotten to beating Nvidia was when Fermi was delayed and the 5870 was alone on the market place for an extended period of time.

And during that time, AMD really cleaned up for marketshare. The cards sold well and this was because AMD put a good price on the card and didn't try to charge Nvidia like prices like they did with the 7970. Lower pricing during this period, along with the delay allowed AMD to kick Nvidia bum and really steal marketshare because people were not as hesitant sitting on the fence and waiting for Nvidia to release a card. AMD needs to be more aggressive because they are the underdog brand.

AMD needs to be aggressive with pricing off the bat, and get the performance crown and keep it for a few generations. After this, they can begin to charge more for their cards.
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Radeon HD 5870. Your arguments are invalidated.

I am a proud owner of a Radeon HD 5870. The thing is a total workhorse, running my games spectacularly. The combination of stellar performance at a fantastic price point ended up with ridiculous longevity. I used and enjoyed it for five years. When did I buy it?

Six years ago.

I haven't seen anything approaching that level of design quality out of AMD since. Had there been one when I was building my new rig a year ago, I would have strongly considered it. The 290/290X, however, did not have the same design approach, and I did not approve.
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You're wasting your time with Olivon. He's chosen his side of the fence a long time ago.

It's funny because in the pre-bulldozer days he has a zealous AMD loyalist at several forums like extremesystems.
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If drivers were that much better with Nvidia then everyone would be using Nvidia. Problem is not Single GPU. If you are having major problem with single GPUs then you are doing it wrong. Driver show up when you have more than 1 card. Here AMD is very weak right now. Not sure about SLI. Some say it perfect, some say its so so and some say its broken. Unless I test it myself I dont recommend people either solution unless you have the fastest single GPU.

MultiGPU is a small percent of market comparing to single GPU, so is no a major problem.
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MultiGPU is a small percent of market comparing to single GPU, so is no a major problem.

Not for people that play 4K and 1440+ 120Hz.
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I am a proud owner of a Radeon HD 5870. The thing is a total workhorse, running my games spectacularly. The combination of stellar performance at a fantastic price point ended up with ridiculous longevity. I used and enjoyed it for five years. When did I buy it?

Six years ago.

I haven't seen anything approaching that level of design quality out of AMD since. Had there been one when I was building my new rig a year ago, I would have strongly considered it. The 290/290X, however, did not have the same design approach, and I did not approve.

That's too bad; 290X is every bit the workhorse that my 5850's were, and it has even more longevity than they did. Power / heat were only an issue with the stock cooler; that critique disappears with any other vendor.
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That's too bad; 290X is every bit the workhorse that my 5850's were, and it has even more longevity than they did. Power / heat were only an issue with the stock cooler; that critique disappears with any other vendor.

Problem with 290X is that it was selling more than GTX780 Ti because of mining. The thing was that 290X for people with free electricity where free. I made ~ $1200 mining 290X, HD 7970 and HD 5850 for about 2-3 months.
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