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Single GPU?

Yup 8800GTX Ultra. The really crappy part was that the non ultra 8800 GTX was only $550 and the factory over clocked versions were just as fast as the Ultra. The $300 extra got you revised silicon (no performance benefits other than clock speed) and better memory chips that could overclock slightly better. At least with the Titan you got a pretty good performance boost (and memory capacity) over the 780 (or 980 for Titan X) for the added cash.
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Eh. Till AMD has their Greenland chips out in a market to themselves, I'm hesitant to put too much faith in the rumors of Nvidia "having issues" with Pascal.

I will point out though, that it was very odd (some would say, troubling) to hear at CES just how ahead of schedule AMD is (100% because the "open standard/copy smart" deal between Samsung/GF/IBM started way back in April of 2014, not in December of 2015 as some on here would lead you to believe) with the fact that they were in a position to show not one, but two Greenland products to the press, while Nvidia had no answer.

That, is very unNvidia like, and likely the biggest reason these rumors keep gaining traction.
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Eh. Till AMD has their Greenland chips out in a market to themselves, I'm hesitant to put too much faith in the rumors of Nvidia "having issues" with Pascal.

I will point out though, that it was very odd (some would say, troubling) to hear at CES just how ahead of schedule AMD is (100% because the "open standard/copy smart" deal between Samsung/GF/IBM started way back in April of 2014, not in December of 2015 as some on here would lead you to believe) with the fact that they were in a position to show not one, but two Greenland products to the press, while Nvidia had no answer.

That, is very unNvidia like, and likely the biggest reason these rumors keep gaining traction.

I could be something really simple. Maybe they are on a sort of autopilot in the discrete gpu market and really are focusing on leveraging that popularity in emerging markets like autonomous cars. Maybe trying to send a subtle message that they are more than just gpu's, cover gpu's at gaming and pc shows and show off some (sort of) consumer electronics at CES. They still managed to get a decent amount of gpu coverage considering they weren't showing anything new. It seemed like every pc in the background of the show floor photos was an nvidia sponsored rig.
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Pascal will land 2016 but which Pascal? If AMD releases Big Polaris this year then I am sure Nvidia had to release Big Pascal too. I dont think the "small" Pascal could compete with Big Polaris based on speculations so far.

About 6 months ago I would have stood on a box and preached big Pascal first, and I did a few times to be honest. However, that has changed and I really don't know. I wouldn't be surprised if Nvidia, and Intel, just waited on AMD's move.

This year is going to be big for AMD, really big, either make or break them. Knowing that, the current market leaders might hold back until they know exactly how to respond. There is no reason AMD couldn't come out and knock them on their ass this year. They have to recognize that, and should be setting themselves up to handle a strong AMD.

I literally have MASSIVE amounts of faith in Jim Keller and his team. For how long have a bunch of us on this forum been talking about AMD just needing to commit the money. They have the brains, they just didn't use their money to fund those brains. Well, they finally did!

Let's shoot for the stars! AMD has done it once, they can do it again!
    
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About 6 months ago I would have stood on a box and preached big Pascal first, and I did a few times to be honest. However, that has changed and I really don't know. I wouldn't be surprised if Nvidia, and Intel, just waited on AMD's move.

This year is going to be big for AMD, really big, either make or break them. Knowing that, the current market leaders might hold back until they know exactly how to respond. There is no reason AMD couldn't come out and knock them on their ass this year. They have to recognize that, and should be setting themselves up to handle a strong AMD.

I literally have MASSIVE amounts of faith in Jim Keller and his team. For how long have a bunch of us on this forum been talking about AMD just needing to commit the money. They have the brains, they just didn't use their money to fund those brains. Well, they finally did!

Let's shoot for the stars! AMD has done it once, they can do it again!

The way I see it is that AMD does not need a GTX980 Ti killer but GTX970 killer. That is where the sales are. GTX980 Ti class GPU are for the very top of the chain which really know what they are doing. If Fury X was indeed faster Titan X/GTX980 Ti it would have not saved AMD. The price is too high even for people that want to buy it. It might have created a wand for AMD and buy 390/390X instead of GTX970/980. I personally hate that type of decisions people make. Buying a brand because of their high end dominance.
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About 6 months ago I would have stood on a box and preached big Pascal first, and I did a few times to be honest. However, that has changed and I really don't know. I wouldn't be surprised if Nvidia, and Intel, just waited on AMD's move.

This year is going to be big for AMD, really big, either make or break them. Knowing that, the current market leaders might hold back until they know exactly how to respond. There is no reason AMD couldn't come out and knock them on their ass this year. They have to recognize that, and should be setting themselves up to handle a strong AMD.

I literally have MASSIVE amounts of faith in Jim Keller and his team. For how long have a bunch of us on this forum been talking about AMD just needing to commit the money. They have the brains, they just didn't use their money to fund those brains. Well, they finally did!

Let's shoot for the stars! AMD has done it once, they can do it again!

Someone gets it.

If the marketing chimps can keep it in their pants and make sensible,verifiable claims then its going to be a rosy time for AMD.....I would be happy to see a CPU directly comparable with Haswell,I would certainly buy one as most people here would be going out off their way to make sure the FUD was enough to make sure it was their last....



To everyone else....the 970 fiasco is not the topic here......although why anyone is making any kind of claims about supply from a convention prop amazes me....
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There are no reason for Nvidia to show of new products they are not ready to sell for Month's. That will just distracts for current products.

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The way I see it is that AMD does not need a GTX980 Ti killer but GTX970 killer. That is where the sales are. GTX980 Ti class GPU are for the very top of the chain which really know what they are doing. If Fury X was indeed faster Titan X/GTX980 Ti it would have not saved AMD. The price is too high even for people that want to buy it. It might have created a wand for AMD and buy 390/390X instead of GTX970/980. I personally hate that type of decisions people make. Buying a brand because of their high end dominance.


 On 16nm they should have much more chip areal, so a GTX 970 class chip should at least approach a 980 Ti in speed. The class system will be rearranged :p 

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There are no reason for Nvidia to show of new products they are not ready to sell for Month's. That will just distracts for current products.


 On 16nm they should have much more chip areal, so a GTX 970 class chip should at least approach a 980 Ti in speed. The class system will be rearranged tongue.gif  

Your in denial. Of course they will launch new products. In April.

It's what they do.
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Your in denial. Of course they will launch new products. In April.

It's what they do.

Yeah they have had a Titan card each April. Titan OG, Titan Z, Titan X.
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The way I see it is that AMD does not need a GTX980 Ti killer but GTX970 killer. That is where the sales are. GTX980 Ti class GPU are for the very top of the chain which really know what they are doing. If Fury X was indeed faster Titan X/GTX980 Ti it would have not saved AMD. The price is too high even for people that want to buy it. It might have created a wand for AMD and buy 390/390X instead of GTX970/980. I personally hate that type of decisions people make. Buying a brand because of their high end dominance.

I think they buy the brand because their high end dominance is an indicator that the brand is better, and their "team " is winning. Of course it doesn't mean all cards will be better, but most gpu purchasers aren't the best informed on which will be better in the long run even if you have to fiddle with some software. Just because they are fair weather fans doesn't mean their money is no good.
I think a decisive 1080ti(whatever) killer will pull people from the 970 camp and put them in the 390 camp.
Next gen it looks like AMD is going more and better and more while Nvidia is going more, better, and multipurpose again. I'm guessing AMD to Nvidia power will be like the PS4 to Xbone. These refinements Nvidia is doing are going to look like cheap parlor tricks when AMD's DX12 leaning drivers get updated and gcn overwhelms them with sheer power. I hope AMD makes their silicon to run efficiently at low clocks to stay in a power envelope like nano and then lets their partners put it on custom pcb.

My gpus are getting old. Isn't Andromeda coming out at the end of the year? Lot of time to wait.
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