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I updated my OP, I have a sandy bridge E build. I also updated my comment you just responded to, I linked another card on newegg.
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That depends on your motherboard. That card, for reasons I don't understand (Sean, feel free to jump in here), requires x8 PCI-e lanes for each board. You would need two PCI-e slots capable of delivering x8 lanes per slot. Assuming you don't have an X79 or an X99 motherboard, with a single graphics card, that will use up all the PCI-e lanes available, assuming none of those lanes aren't already being used by something on your motherboard. I recommend finding an HBA or RAID card that has two miniSAS ports that can support up to eight SATA ports on the one card. That way, you will be using only eight lanes instead of 16.

The card from Newegg should work ok. There was one review that said it quit after one month but the other reviews were for as much as a year's ownership so the early failure may have been a fluke (or the guy didn't have enough airflow on the card and cooked it; other reviewers say the card runs hot). Another review said the card wouldn't report S.M.A.R.T. attributes until he changed drivers, something I'm sure other reviewers would have mentioned if it was a consistent problem. Others said it worked great. Keep in mind computers vary so there will be occasional, unpredictable incompatibilities. Just make sure you try out the card before the 30 day return for refund period is up (which usually starts the day you place the order) in case something goes pear shaped. Also, don't forget to order a couple of forward breakout cables, such as the ones I linked earlier.
     
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Thanks for clearing some things up, now I have an idea of how to at least connect these things. So as of now this is what I'm looking at, +1 PCIe fan for cooling the adapter:

1. http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16816101792&cm_re=sas_sata-_-16-101-792-_-Product
2. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817994178&cm_re=mb998sp-b-_-17-994-178-_-Product&nm_mc=AFC-C8Junction&cm_mmc=AFC-C8Junction-VigLink-_-na-_-na-_-na&cm_sp=&AID=10446076&PID=6146846&SID=ip6ldac2yg000kb500053
3. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16816116097&cm_re=3ware_CBL-SFF8087OCF-05M-_-16-116-097-_-Product&nm_mc=AFC-C8Junction&cm_mmc=AFC-C8Junction-VigLink-_-na-_-na-_-na&cm_sp=&AID=10446076&PID=6146846&SID=ip6le6hc72000kb500053

Still I'm unsure if two is better than one, and if these Marvel controllers are going to bottle neck speeds, like with my bull***** Marvel 6gb ports on my mobo (actually 3gb speeds)

And lastly, the LSI you have is 1 GB 1333MHz DDRIII SDRAM, this Supermicro has 512MB 800MHz DDR2 on-card cache. Not sure if that's going to make a big difference, DDR3 seems like a leap. All in all, I'm looking for better performance in bypassing the SATA bay, with no IOP or read/write bottlenecks.
Edited by Dracarys - 6/8/16 at 1:15am
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Thanks for clearing some things up, now I have an idea of how to at least connect these things. So as of now this is what I'm looking at, +1 PCIe fan for cooling the adapter:

1. http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16816101792&cm_re=sas_sata-_-16-101-792-_-Product
2. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817994178&cm_re=mb998sp-b-_-17-994-178-_-Product&nm_mc=AFC-C8Junction&cm_mmc=AFC-C8Junction-VigLink-_-na-_-na-_-na&cm_sp=&AID=10446076&PID=6146846&SID=ip6ldac2yg000kb500053
3. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16816116097&cm_re=3ware_CBL-SFF8087OCF-05M-_-16-116-097-_-Product&nm_mc=AFC-C8Junction&cm_mmc=AFC-C8Junction-VigLink-_-na-_-na-_-na&cm_sp=&AID=10446076&PID=6146846&SID=ip6le6hc72000kb500053

Still I'm unsure if two is better than one, and if these Marvel controllers are going to bottle neck speeds, like with my bull***** Marvel 6gb ports on my mobo (actually 3gb speeds)

And lastly, the LSI you have is 1 GB 1333MHz DDRIII SDRAM, this Supermicro has 512MB 800MHz DDR2 on-card cache. Not sure if that's going to make a big difference, DDR3 seems like a leap. All in all, I'm looking for better performance in bypassing the SATA bay, with no IOP or read/write bottlenecks.

Generally, you get what you pay for. I can't say how much faster, if any, the LSI would be over the Supermicro since I have been running only HDDs off mine.

The idea of using a PCI-e fan to cool the card is brilliant. Just make sure the fan you get actually blows air on the heatsink, not just draw in air to exhaust outside the case.
     
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Thanks for all the help, I asked some audio guys, the cache is not a big deal since I'm solely reading from the drives, and not using RAID or writing.

I do have another question, the ICY Dock is around $220 after taxes on Canada Newegg, is there a cheaper alternative that holds the same amount of ports, and that will be compatible with the PCIe adapter? This is just a temp build until I upgrade my rig completely in the next couple years.

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...I do have another question, the ICY Dock is around $220 after taxes on Canada Newegg, is there a cheaper alternative that holds the same amount of ports, and that will be compatible with the PCIe adapter? This is just a temp build until I upgrade my rig completely in the next couple years.

Thanks

Not if you want the quality of the ICY DOCK (although $220 sounds pretty steep; have you checked with other Canadian vendors or eBay?). I have two of the 4 bay version (plus one for a spare or spare parts) of the eight bay version you want (the four bay version can hold SSDs up to 15mm thick but the eight bay version will hold only 7mm thick SSDs) and they are built like tanks! The doors and trays are made of steel and the housing is heavy, extruded aluminum. Less expensive brands use a lot of plastic in their construction, which explains why I frequently see reports of the eject mechanisms breaking.
     
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If you aren't using RAID, cache doesn't matter. You should just get a HBA. Something like a used LSI 9211-8i off ebay would be perfect and save you some $. http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_odkw=lsi+9211&_osacat=0&_from=R40&_trksid=p2045573.m570.l1313.TR4.TRC2.A0.H0.Xlsi+9211-8i.TRS0&_nkw=lsi+9211-8i&_sacat=0

 

I think speeds won't bee all that much better tho, I will test some SSDs in my NAS when I get home. 

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This is dirt cheap, and LSI probably has better driver support than the Supermicro I linked earlier. My mobo is very picky with drivers, I just had to detache my Renesas USB 3.0 adapter because it was causing issues.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-IT-Mode-LSI-9211-8i-SAS-SATA-8-port-PCI-E-6Gb-s-Controller-Card-/252344098349?hash=item3ac0e15e2d:g:-w4AAOSwGYVXAyCn

Also, how do I know the number of pins on my PCI lanes? The 8 port Icy Dock might be overkill since I'll eventually replace my 128gb and 256gb EVOs with 500gb Pros, giving me 3tb's. My OS SSD will be on the stock sata bay. This Dock requires 7 pins, so can that just plug into an 8 pin PCI lane on my mobo?

http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA7BB2JK4733


If you have an inexpensive alternative to the ICY Dock let me know
Edited by Dracarys - 6/8/16 at 4:31pm
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This is dirt cheap, and LSI probably has better driver support than the Supermicro I linked earlier. My mobo is very picky with drivers, I just had to detache my Renesas USB 3.0 adapter because it was causing issues.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-IT-Mode-LSI-9211-8i-SAS-SATA-8-port-PCI-E-6Gb-s-Controller-Card-/252344098349?hash=item3ac0e15e2d:g:-w4AAOSwGYVXAyCn

Also, how do I know the number of pins on my PCI lanes? The 8 port Icy Dock might be overkill since I'll eventually replace my 128gb and 256gb EVOs with 500gb Pros, giving me 3tb's. My OS SSD will be on the stock sata bay. This Dock requires 7 pins, so can that just plug into an 8 pin PCI lane on my mobo?

http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA7BB2JK4733


If you have an inexpensive alternative to the ICY Dock let me know

You can even save more and get the cheaper ones I see around $80. Even the Dell Perc 200 is the same thing so you can buy those for like $50-$70 as well.

 

Do you really need a dock in the first place? I just stack my SSDs in my HDD/Optical drive bays and use power splitter cables when I run out of room. 

 

What do you mean by pins? I don't understand what you mean by the dock requires 7 pins. It requires two molex power cables and 6-8 SATA connections depending on whether you get a 6 or 8 bay version. 

 

If you get a PCIe x8 HBA card you connect two SAS to SATA break out cables to it and connect those to the empty SATA slots on the dock or your SSDs. 

 

As for getting 500GB 850 Pros, why not just get 1 or 2TB drives instead? What is your use case? I'd rather use less quantities of drives when possible. 

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[...As for getting 500GB 850 Pros, why not just get 1 or 2TB drives instead? What is your use case? I'd rather use less quantities of drives when possible.

But...but...but, Sean, having a large number of drives in a large case looks so impressive! biggrin.gif

All seriousness aside, I agree it is better to have fewer, larger drives rather than more but smaller drives. One 2TB drive trumps four 500GB drives. Just make sure you have a good backup plan in place.
     
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You can even save more and get the cheaper ones I see around $80. Even the Dell Perc 200 is the same thing so you can buy those for like $50-$70 as well.

That seems to be old and discontinued

Do you really need a dock in the first place? I just stack my SSDs in my HDD/Optical drive bays and use power splitter cables when I run out of room. 

Technically no, but my bay only has two SSD mounts, the rest are sticked all over the case, wired everywhere, now that I'll be splitting there's going to be even more of a mess. I don't mind if it's a cheaper dock also, because it's all SSDs and no HDD's which can be fragile

What do you mean by pins? I don't understand what you mean by the dock requires 7 pins. It requires two molex power cables and 6-8 SATA connections depending on whether you get a 6 or 8 bay version. 

Disregard that one

If you get a PCIe x8 HBA card you connect two SAS to SATA break out cables to it and connect those to the empty SATA slots on the dock or your SSDs. 

As for getting 500GB 850 Pros, why not just get 1 or 2TB drives instead? What is your use case? I'd rather use less quantities of drives when possible. 

Mainly incase one of those 2tb fails during a project, I lose everything until I order new SSDs. If one 500gb dies the show still goes on.

Edited by Dracarys - 6/8/16 at 10:42pm
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