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Man SERIOUSLY, the GT72 is FAR SUPERIOR than any of the Asus's. It's very hard for me to say that, but it's TRUE. I have built well over 700 pc's in my last 10-12 years for people and I ONLY use Asus mobo's because they work the best and the features are straight forward. I'm not a fan on the MSI mobo's really, but that's only towards desktops. The bios in the Asus G752 sucks big time, and I like the bios in the MSI way better, kind of a flip flop there no? LOL.

The Asus G751 has support for a m.2 ssd which is sata based only. That means 550mb/s tops.

The Asus G752 has 2 m.2 slots which are PCI-E based and those can go far above 3000mb/s, we don't know really how far they go because the Samsung 950 Pro 512gb ssd can do 2500mb/s read and 1500mb/s write. That's the fastest ssd so far. Now the crappy part is that the Asus bios's don't even let those drives work properly. The bios is locked in Raid mode, which it doesn't even support. Also it can't be put into ACHI mode which it needs to be for any other drive to work proper. So the mechanical drives that comes in it doesn't work proper, nor do the ssd models they have. They have no idea when they will fix it, or even if they will. That is nothing I want to wait for.

The MSI GT72 Dominator has 4 slots for m.2 ssd's. 2 of them are Sata3 based and the other 2 are PCI-E based. You can do raid 0 with either one you want. You can put 2 of the Samsung 950 Pro's in a Raid 0 and end up with over 4000mb/s reads and 3000mb/s writes if you want that insane of performance LOL. I will eventually get 2 of the 512gb 950 Pro's in my GT72 and then just use my 850 Evo 1tb as my game / storage drive. To be honest tho, I'm very happy with just having the 850 Evo 1tb as my only drive right now as I'm using the RAPID feature which uses 4gb of system ram to cache the drive and it's getting 7000mb/s read and 6400mb/s writes, in bursts. That's plenty fast to hold me over til I get the 950 Pro's. LOL. You also have 2 spots for regular 2.5" hard drives. So just as it comes, you can have 4x m.2 ssd's and 2x 2.5" drives. That's 6 total hard drives just as is. You can add an adapter that lets you put 2 m.2 ssd's in place of the 2.5" drive bay, so if you did that twice, you can have 10x m.2 ssd's in the MSI which is just ridiculous HAHAHA. 10 hard drives in a laptop yessir.gif

The cooling is so much better on the MSI as well and I mean by a long shot. I found my MSI GT72 Dominator-019 on sale at microcenter for only $1399 which came with the 6820K , 970m, and just a 7200rmp mechanical 1tb drive. I would go that route too and then just add the ssd's you want to when you are ready. You will save a lot that way as far as price and you can get the ones you want. Asus puts a crappy slow PCI-e ssd in their laptops. It only gets around 300mb/s write and 900mb/s read. That's slower than a 2.5" sata drive LOL. No thanks!!

I got my GT72 and couldn't be happier now. No way in Hell would I give it up for any of the Asus models. NO WAY AT ALL tongue.gif

EDIT: I bought the GL551 at first for $750 at Microcenter and it's a POS big time. It barely games at med-low settings and having to drop the res lower than 1080p. the screen isn't a IPS panel and it sucks big time. It's by far the worst gaming machine you can look at. It's for grandma to game on lol. Well if she is half blind anyways LOL. It's a cheap built POS. The cooling is horrible and only has 1 fan that stretches the heat pipes from the fan to the gpu and then to the cpu and then back. So the cpu is at the far end and always runs 10-15c hotter than the gpu and I"m talking around 90-95c when the fan is loud as hell too. It's not meant to game for hours that's for sure. When I had it apart and was looking at it I was totally unhappy with the build. I took it back in 3 days lol

Edit 2: Here's a pic of my GT72 sitting at the desktop at idle with the 4ghz overclocked Sport setting. How you like those idle temps. It's 68 degrees in my office cuz I like it like that, but can't beat those idle temps. Asus will never do that unless you take it outside in the winter HAHAHA


Edited by Hambone07si - 1/26/16 at 11:14am
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OK, I just have to wait for couple weeks to get more money, and hoping to see a discount of the $1599.

I'm now more comfortable and certain of what I want which is good.

Last night, I didn't know what to do, I see videos of the 960m playing BF4 on high or ultra, and I say "well, this is good enough to run the game".


And, you said that it games at low-medium.


I don't know, what is their secret in those videos, it looks OK with 960m.

I thought it's good to get budget laptop and save money.

So, yeah thank you for support thumb.gif


Also, one more question, if I don't care much about the SSDs. Does GT72 still a better option for me than the G751JT?
Edited by RLT1 - 1/26/16 at 11:23am
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OK, I just have to wait for couple weeks to get more money, and hoping to see a discount of the $1599.

I'm now more comfortable and certain of what I want which is good.

Last night, I didn't know what to do, I see videos of the 960m playing BF4 on high or ultra, and I say "well, this is good enough to run the game".


And, you said that it games at low-medium.


I don't know, what is their secret in those videos, it looks OK with 960m.

I thought it's good to get budget laptop and save money.

So, yeah thank you for support thumb.gif


Also, one more question, if I don't care much about the SSDs. Does GT72 still a better option for me than the G751JT?

For sure it is. I would just put a standard ssd in the 2.5" bay to start off with when you are ready. Or if you want, the real easy thing to do is just get a 256gb 950 pro for only $189 @ microcenter, put it in the slot, and use the Samsung migration software and image the stock hard drive over to the 950 pro and then your OS will run on that fast as hell. Then you can reformat the stock 7200rpm drive and use it for storage and installing your games to. That's probably the best option for cheap and really fast speed.

I kinda worked my way up to the MSI GT72 also. I bought the G752 for 1300, then 2 weeks later once I was fed up with all the BS from Asus and not being able to use the 950 Pro properly, I added $200 more and got the MSI GT72. Then 3 days later it went on sale for $1399 so I went back to microcenter and said, give me my $108 please lol, and then a week later it came with a free copy of Rise of the Tomb Raider, so I asked my sales guy I've known for 10+ years to hook me up and he gave me the code since I was eligible. Now I'm very happy with everything. It's definitely worth waiting for. No questions asked. ..

EDIT: Here's a few pic's inside the bottom of the laptop. The card that holds the m.2 ssd's can be pulled out and there's 2 more slots on the back side. Also a nice close up of the MXM gpu under the heat sink. Just figured you might wanna see how nice the inside is laid out in the MSI GT72 biggrin.gif




Edited by Hambone07si - 1/26/16 at 12:21pm
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The laptop seems very clean, when did you take these pictures?

Because, the laptop box is there, so I think when you got the rig >> busted biggrin.gif


OK, I see the 2 slots for m2 SSD and 2 slots for regular SSD.


So, if I'm not interested in SSDs as I asked you before, would this laptop still the best option for me?

I know other pros; like, 6820K, DDR4, good bios setup, cooling vents and other nice specs.

I just love the ASUS's keyboard, robust build and they arrows location.
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The laptop seems very clean, when did you take these pictures?

Because, the laptop box is there, so I think when you got the rig >> busted biggrin.gif


OK, I see the 2 slots for m2 SSD and 2 slots for regular SSD.


So, if I'm not interested in SSDs as I asked you before, would this laptop still the best option for me?

I know other pros; like, 6820K, DDR4, good bios setup, cooling vents and other nice specs.

I just love the ASUS's keyboard, robust build and they arrows location.

Yeah, it's still my #1 recommendation no matter what. I had the Asus. The keyboard on this MSI and a lot of other MSI's are way nicer. Big time. They are made by Stealseries. Not some cheap keyboard that Asus is making.

That's where MSI did things right. They didn't try to just make all the parts themselves and do so so. The had a GREAT keyboard maker make the keyboard. They had Dynaudio do the stereo speakers. They have Nahimic do the audio software to make the Dynaudio system sound the best it could. So instead of doing it all, the had the companies that already make those parts make them. You get what I saying there? I liked Asus too, but once I got this I was like "DAME, NOW WE'RE TALKIN" lol..

Besides a SSD, you still have a 2.5" drive bay just like the Asus does, but also have the options of using m.2 sata drives or PCI-e drives. That just gives you a way bigger range of options for IF you want to upgrade later down the road. Which I'm sure you will want to at least add a 256gb PCI-e SSD for you OS to run on. Now those are $190 for the best 950 Pro. A year from now those might only be $100.

Or you can get a 256gb m.2 sata sdd for only $100 now from Samsung. It's way cheaper to have all 3 options so you can choose your poison when you want to. Just sayin LOL.

Yeah, I took the pics a day or 2 after getting the laptop. I've had it since December 31st. I bought it on New Years Eve, then took it home and stayed out of trouble this year HAHA tongue.gif . It's just as clean as it was then as it is now tho. I keep my pc's VERY clean always. I've blown this out twice already since having it for only bout a month, but haven't taken the bottom cover off to blow it out. Just through the huge air vent in the bottom which covers the whole thing pretty much.

Also, how much do you use the arrow keys really? When you game, aren't you using a real mouse with your right hand and then using WASD and whatnot with your left hand? I don't know anyone that uses the arrow keys on a laptop and that makes the choice for their purchase?? Just asking.
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Of course, you're right. I actually left handed, so I play with the right side of the keyboard.

I know GT72's keyboard is gorgeous, the speakers should be very nice, and the specs just amazing.

I like the very fast desktop all the time.

My rig with 4770k, 8GB, get into high RAM usage, I have this problem for a while, and I can't solve it.

Also, the HDD gets very busy. I have pictures and post a thread about it and didn't get much help.

http://www.overclock.net/t/1576716/unstable-hdd-ram-usage#post_24531191
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Of course, you're right. I actually left handed, so I play with the right side of the keyboard.

I know GT72's keyboard is gorgeous, the speakers should be very nice, and the specs just amazing.

I like the very fast desktop all the time.

My rig with 4770k, 8GB, get into high RAM usage, I have this problem for a while, and I can't solve it.

Also, the HDD gets very busy. I have pictures and post a thread about it and didn't get much help.

http://www.overclock.net/t/1576716/unstable-hdd-ram-usage#post_24531191

I could take a look at that later once I'm home and have some time to check things out. I'm always more than happy to help out if I can. I'm sure we can figure it out and get it running good. There's always a way in my book biggrin.gif
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I want to ask you this, I'm planning to carry this laptop during my trips.

I don't know if I can leave it at the hotel, when I went to Genève, the hotel has dormitory room. So, I think it's hard to leave the laptop.


My question is that ASUS has solid build and MSI is not as powerful as the ASUS.

Do you think MSI GT72 is suitable to carry in my backpack?
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I want to ask you this, I'm planning to carry this laptop during my trips.

I don't know if I can leave it at the hotel, when I went to Genève, the hotel has dormitory room. So, I think it's hard to leave the laptop.


My question is that ASUS has solid build and MSI is not as powerful as the ASUS.

Do you think MSI GT72 is suitable to carry in my backpack?

Wait, WHOA, SAY WHAT?!?! kookoo.gif

Asus is solid build and MSI is not as powerful?? You have that ass-backwards LOL. MSI's 6820K Trumphs the Asus's 6700HQ as far as CPU power goes. Not sure which Cpu you are talking about there?? As far as GPU power, the 970m or 980m is the same across all of the manufactures pretty much, within 1-2% really. Depends on the silicon lottery there too as far as which one will overclock as high or boost as high without throttling.

Also, as far as Solid build, MSI has a way more solid build than the Asus G752 in my book. The keyboard is WAY nicer, the speakers LOL well that's not even in the same class at all to compare. That would be like comparing a 18hp riding lawn mower to a Benz LOL. MSI's audio just blows away Asus there. Hard drive space or compatibility MSI has Asus beat for sure. GT72 has 2x 2.5" drive bays and then the card that has 2x m.2 sata slots and 2x m.2 PCI-e slots. MSI supports 3 different hard drives as where Asus only supports 1 2.5" drive and either m.2 sata OR not BOTH PCI-e m.2. Cooling wise, that's another win for MSI by a LONG SHOT. Even without using the Cool Boost 3 feature / button that's right on the side of the keyboard and isn't a piece of hardware that does that. If you add in that feature, well Asus isn't even close to competing. Asus cpu during games 80-90c lol, MSI cpu during games on auto is 65-75c and with cool boost 3 it's 45-58c.. Gpu same pretty much too. Asus's gpu didn't go above 75c tho really. just the cpu was way higher.
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Oooooh my !! I pushed you to go through all these information again biggrin.gif

I didn't mean the performance.

I don't mean solid build, that it has powerful parts.

I mean the plastic chassis of the MSI isn't as powerful as the ASUS G751JY, which is Aluminum.

I mean that I would carry this one with me during trips, and maybe I could carry it with me in a hiking trip, if I couldn't leave the fancy & attractive laptop at the hotel.

I talked to you about a hostel dormitory room, because it's not very safe to leave your expensive laptop there. There is locker boxes, and I don't feel so comfortable about them. Or I could put it in the locker, which is a big solution to most of my issue.

So, that means you have to carry it in your backpack to the outdoor trips.

So, which one would handle moving, lifting and putting the backpack?

I would put a protection materials at the bottom of the laptop, so it doesn't get putting the backpack on the ground hits.

Again, putting the laptop in a locker is half the solution, because I would carry the laptop in the airports, moving around with it and a lot of lifting, putting the backpack.

Regards.
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