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PC sales != PC component sales. The proof is Nvidia and Intel still selling their product like hot cakes despite their increased price.
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Originally Posted by PostalTwinkie View Post

Seems like almost never.

I have clients that have replaced their i3 Sandybridge based systems, used for word processing and customer e-mails, with newer i5 systems because they were "faster". Instead of just tossing in an SSD and calling it good.

No one ever wants to listen to the Nerds in a business. mad.gif

Sounds like my work environment. A Pentium 4 can handle most people's workload, and we just replaced tons of Core 2 Duos with i3/i5 desktops. They didn't even need new CPUs, just a SSD and a little extra RAM, but no, our department settles on buying brand new systems with the same low RAM count and a HDD. On top of it, a lot of management are really hesitant to give out smart phones even though we can add them to the contract with no additional costs other than the initial cost of the device, which is still cheaper than a new desktop. thumbsdownsmileyanim.gif

I really wish I could kick out half of management. They're no better than a leech.
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Its this. Even higher powered programs are fine on older systems. Guys at work have said they see no difference between a 2 year old laptop and a brand new one when it comes to using CAD software/rendering (in a similar price bracket)
Even more demanding programs are not seeing a big enough advantage on newer systems to warrant buying something new and throwing out something that still works.

A lot of places lease. They only give up the moldy oldys if the contract penalizes them for going past the contract dates. There were about 1200 stations where I used to work. They finally replaced the Core Doyou boxes, when they figured out the the AC was on and those boxes were in operation at 90-100% most of the time.

That was a .gov operation. Businesses use depreciation or lease expenses as tax things. I don't how to make money by spending money. My olde lady likes to go broke saving money too. Never works out to well for me.
Edited by warpuck - 1/19/16 at 2:27pm
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Originally Posted by Anarion View Post

PC sales != PC component sales. The proof is Nvidia and Intel still selling their product like hot cakes despite their increased price.

No.
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Originally Posted by coachmark2 View Post

Agreed. The PC enthusiast market represents a small fraction of the global PC market. IDC reported 54 million in annual aftermarket motherboard sales. Compare that to the 75 million PC sales in a single quarter last year.
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Originally Posted by Imouto View Post

Go back to #12. DIY MB sales fell 20% in 2015 and going by JPR numbers GPU units are constantly down too.

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Intel just posted their results for 2015:

http://www.intc.com/releasedetail.cfm?ReleaseID=950391
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- Client Computing Group revenue of $32.2 billion, down 8 percent from 2014.

- 2015 compared to 2014:
Notebook platform volumes decreased 9%
Desktop platform volumes decreased 16%

Edited by Imouto - 1/19/16 at 8:52pm
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Originally Posted by PostalTwinkie View Post

Not really....

Added productivity in the office space provided by a PC trumps an iPad. Second, a basic i3 system on a business lease has very little financial impact due to how it can be written in the books.

You can get a basic i3 system for about $300 now. Which is more than enough for general office tasks.

did you even read what i said? i was comparing purchasing an iPad over upgrading i3s to i5s for the purpose of general office tasks.

or were you hell bent in denying the iPad just for the sake of denying it?
Edited by epic1337 - 1/19/16 at 9:25pm
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Could the fact that most, if not all, new PC's are shipping with Windows 10 be a factor? I don't know anyone outside of OCN who is actually interested in Win10.

You're actually pretty much dead wrong. No one outside OCN cares about the stuff people blabber on about with Windows 10. The OS is fine. I still don't get why everyone is fine with Android knowing everything but can't stand Microsoft knowing even a little. tongue.gif
     
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You're actually pretty much dead wrong. No one outside OCN cares about the stuff people blabber on about with Windows 10. The OS is fine. I still don't get why everyone is fine with Android knowing everything but can't stand Microsoft knowing even a little. tongue.gif

You're good at making up stories. My friend Natalie has a laptop I bought her for her birthday three years ago. W10 crashes every 3-4 minutes on it, she's moved away so I can't fix it for her. My friend Joe is frustrated that some of his legacy apps don't seem to work properly, but admittedly he hasn't changed his setup since XP and was still running it when W7 came out. His frustration humors me though. His mom's computer was automatically updated to W10 and we just can't get her printer to work anymore. None of them are on OCN.

I'm running W10 on my laptop and I quite like it. I've disabled most of the telemetry and I'm fairly used to the interface. I do get printer errors on occasion because it seems W10 will sometimes use it's print preview and some apps use a different one and I can't find the software that came with my printer and it's not online so sometimes I have to try using either to see which one will actually print, which is a little frustrating. Every several days it needs a reboot. It's not perfectly stable, but I guess it's stable enough for laptop use.

W10 is not bad and I'm sure it works flawlessly for most desktop users, but it does seem to have it's fair share of problems with laptops. I do like it better than W8/8.1 for touch screen, but some apps still have scaling issues with no easy way to address. I refuse to buy a newer version of Photoshop... I have CS3 and have no desire to pay more for proper scaling. I dunno if Lightroom 5 scales properly but since Photoshop won't I don't have a real reason to install it to try.
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Honestly this whole "tablets for PoS" is pushed far too much and is quite stupid. Tablets in general are terrible devices for any kind of productivity. If you want an electronic device to check people in and make detailed annotations on.... get a reception desk with a fast computer.

Garbage Pentium computers with SSDs will be a far better investment for any retail store than a bunch of iPads. Fast PCs btw are the most effective upgrades that retail corporations can make. It pushes productivity, and with smart procurement it'll cost less than buying iPads.... or crap tablets. I see this in stores like Best Buy, Verizon, T-Mobile, etc. They push this tablet form factor for no reason, when you could literally get an SSD for 4-5 computers for the same price. Mind blowing honestly.
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At work the company buys $169 asus laptops. Makes everyone do work on cheap disposable laptops.

No more desktops.

Pc makers are doing it to themselves with garbage laptops.
which is becoming a problem, why buy big bulky powerful PC when a cheap basic laptop can do everything u need?

The Software isnt moving up to make people have the need to buy power PC for their "casual" productivity reasons.

We havent see a PC OS actually smart and think on my behalf. Cortana is still dumb as crap.
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The problem is simple.

Many of the larger corporations in the U.S. and in other places offer crappy computers. Bestbuy, target, walmart, etc etc. Only place you can get a half decent PC is online, from various e-tailers except you have to know what to order and what prices are good.

Heck I would have probably purchased a store bought computer had I been able to find one with a half decent graphics card. Nope, nearly impossible to find. Probably one of the driving factors to how consoles took over gaming market so fast. Pc companies were stuck trying to market people cpu's and memory, but couldn't even play a game due to crappy integrated graphics. Great for business owners, not so much for everyone else.

Glad pc gaming has begun to pick back up, it's always been a superior platform. Perhaps VR will prove to be its saving grace for awhile, but let's face it the desktop pc format we have today will be replaced in the future.
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