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I'd personally suggest for something small to learn on an Intel NUC. There are tons of builds out there where people load them up with a decent amount of VM's and 16-32GB RAM. They're tiny, portable, and for just testing/playing with ESXi and a handful of low RAM usage VM's, they're great. The C1100's are still a great box (and I can confirm they work with ESXi 6.0), but they are large, loud, and not terribly portable, but they are inexpensive.
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@PuffinMyLye

If the OP is simply looking to learn, wouldn't an older version of ESXi be enough for that C1100? Like 5.0 or 5.5?

Yes this is true. However I've often seen that users who get into virtualization to learn will quickly want to transition their "test" server into one they can make use of at home once they realize all the options they have.

But yes if this is 100% for learning and you don't ever need to run anything that you'll really care about on it, a use server such as the C1100's are a very good option.
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All the c1100's i see on ebay are more than the r710's. Is there a better website to buy from?
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Look to see if you can find any R410s, I just picked one up for $100 shipped and slapped in 2x X5560 Xeons, 64GB of 1333 DDR3, and 2 SSDs for ESXI.

It was barebones so it only came with the PSU, heatsinks and RAID card. Ebay is great for this. However the R410 is only supports up to 5.5U3 according to VMwares HCL.
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post #16 of 25
I'm just going to toss my 2cents for this as I am doing similar things.

As far as hardware goes, really its whatever you trip over, as long as its supported by the system you want to learn, that being said, here are the systems IMO worth looking for hardware for.

SmartOS, OmniOS and OpenIndiana
FreeBSD and DragonflyBSD
VMware or Xen

First group has the benifit of helping you learn Solaris which can get you a great job, as many large corps use Solaris but its expensive and learning it is hard due to lacking material etc. but the first group can both teach you it and show you ton more it doesn't have. Overall, this is what I'll be doing a year (hopefully) from now ^^. Keep in mind, the most generous of the three in terms of supported hardware is OpenIndiana, the most restrictive I would say is SmartOS, but that one does have full KVM support... so maybe worth finding something that will run Smart and than putting OpenIndiana on it with intent to swap later.

Second group is where jails were born and where they are still quite strong. Both of those BSDs have their own advantages and both should have very similar hardware requirements. The hardware pool is large and you can probably get to scrappin on any old piece of metal you have laying around. I doubt that you would need to buy anything in fact. If you are feeling overwhelmed with how small those two guys are, try TrueOS which is just FreeBSD with more prebuild stuff, still no gui, but just pkg install that thing in minutes = ] (don't quote me on it, but I am pretty sure TrueOS has mainline FreeBSD kernel where its similarly looking brother PCBSD has some custom made one, so don't use that, as recompiling it for me was a pain. But than again I am not that smart)

Third, is what everyone already talked about, but I'll bring up the fact that Xen exists and that unlike VMware its free for learning (not sure on commercial side) and is almost as good as VMware. I would learn on it first as appose to shelling out a dollar for VMware first. I am not a huge proponent of this type of systems to begin with but, hey I will probably run Xen eventually if to just finally liberate my hardware from windows forever and still play games = p

Anyways TL;DR version is, learn Jails and Zones because that's where the money is going to flow soon. Any hardware will do, start somewhere free (stuff you own already) and than buy stuff that is directly supported. Rescue an old 64bit spark station if you got the moneys sometimes later down the road = ]

Good luck!
P.S. currently I use desktop grade crap, and it is just fine under FreeBSD. if power doesn't matter pick up an old AMD phenom ii or something along those line. ton of cores, dirt cheap, will not care what temps you run it at.
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Third, is what everyone already talked about, but I'll bring up the fact that Xen exists and that unlike VMware its free for learning (not sure on commercial side) and is almost as good as VMware. I would learn on it first as appose to shelling out a dollar for VMware first. I am not a huge proponent of this type of systems to begin with but, hey I will probably run Xen eventually if to just finally liberate my hardware from windows forever and still play games = p.


Just want to clarify your statement that VMware ESXi (vSphere) is free for many of the features you'd be able to accurately test at home without spending a lot of money.
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@PuffinMyLye

Thanks, I really try to avoid VMware as I personally disagree with their ahm, practices. Anyways, after doing some legwork after that post I'll amend it as well

Xen Type II Hypervisor = 100% commercial or not.
XenServer (Type I) Hypervisor = 99% free. Only thing that isn't is there stupid auto update feature and the daemon that handles it. It could be terribly unsafe I guess as it is a blob, but w/e. You can still get all updates for it and install them even in production, just with one line of command and not click of the button. It took me all but 5 seconds to find a detail guide heh.
ESXi (type I) Hypervisor = They do give you a free license thought, I can not vouch for how much of features does it let you use. I
VMPlayer (type II) Hypervisor = Definitely very not free but does have a trial version? Again, not sure how many things you get to play with.

All and all, I guess it boils to personal choice of what you want to do? ^^ But yes I felt keeping Xen entirely out of conversation was somewhat bad practice heh. If you are just learning its w/e I guess. If you are a start up, in my eyes definitely Xen. If you got cash to burn, well ask analysts and not OCN I guess lol.
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@PuffinMyLye

Thanks, I really try to avoid VMware as I personally disagree with their ahm, practices. Anyways, after doing some legwork after that post I'll amend it as well

Xen Type II Hypervisor = 100% commercial or not.
XenServer (Type I) Hypervisor = 99% free. Only thing that isn't is there stupid auto update feature and the daemon that handles it. It could be terribly unsafe I guess as it is a blob, but w/e. You can still get all updates for it and install them even in production, just with one line of command and not click of the button. It took me all but 5 seconds to find a detail guide heh.
ESXi (type I) Hypervisor = They do give you a free license thought, I can not vouch for how much of features does it let you use. I
VMPlayer (type II) Hypervisor = Definitely very not free but does have a trial version? Again, not sure how many things you get to play with.

All and all, I guess it boils to personal choice of what you want to do? ^^ But yes I felt keeping Xen entirely out of conversation was somewhat bad practice heh. If you are just learning its w/e I guess. If you are a start up, in my eyes definitely Xen. If you got cash to burn, well ask analysts and not OCN I guess lol.

Don't forget KVM (Linux) as well. I recently dropped ESXi for KVM (which comes featured in UnRAID v6).
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SmartOS has full KVM support now, many birds with one stone? ^^
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