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Yeah, but I just find it hard to accept the fact that we are going towards low power CPUs these days and Intel suddenly come out with a 165W monster. Remember the days when we were laughing at AMD's FX-9590 for its ridiculous TDP? Now Intel is doing the same?

Intel isn't coming out with anything, this is just a rumor if you can even call it that.
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Btw, talking about 5.1GHz, I did oc FX9590 to 5.1GHz on all 8 cores @ 1.52V 24/7 watercooled. Its really awesome.
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Yeah, but I just find it hard to accept the fact that we are going towards low power CPUs these days and Intel suddenly come out with a 165W monster. Remember the days when we were laughing at AMD's FX-9590 for its ridiculous TDP? Now Intel is doing the same?


There are workloads that take advantage of fewer cores and thus the higher the clockspeed the better.

A few years ago Intel did something similar, namely the Xeon X5698, a 32nm Westemere based hexacore die with four cores disabled. Then they clocked the two cores with HT at 4.4 Ghz. It has a 130w TDP.

It was also only available through OEMs and is not even listed on their ARK site.

http://www.cpu-world.com/CPUs/Xeon/Intel-Xeon%20X5698%20-%20AT80614007314AA.html


So, if they come out with a chip in this fashion, I wouldn't be surprised. The rumour is believable. I've got my doubts on the 5.1 Ghz clockspeed though, it seems a bit high.
 
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Clocks do matter. . but they're low for a reason.. to 'lower' the probability of calculation errors/anomalies.. All these g4m3r 1337 overclocked hardware are actually completely unstable in the eyes of the 'people who do real work'.. hahahaha..

Who cares if a 3d cube is rendered slightly ajar in your vidya..

But let's say you build a bridge, and a decimal place was off because 1 error got factored 100 times throughout the length of the bridge. Bridge falls down.. and it wasn't godzilla's fault.

@epic1337 has a valid point. The higher the clocks the more heat will be generated and if extra voltage is needed, that's additional heat being produced. Aside 1U servers though. For maximum computing density, these CPUs would be used in blade servers which (the individual blades) have no fans and are crammed with 2 or 4 (not sure if they make 8s blades, maybe) of these beastly CPUs.

http://www8.hp.com/us/en/products/proliant-servers/product-detail.html?oid=8223671

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Yeah, but I just find it hard to accept the fact that we are going towards low power CPUs these days and Intel suddenly come out with a 165W monster. Remember the days when we were laughing at AMD's FX-9590 for its ridiculous TDP? Now Intel is doing the same?

When the core count goes up, the clock speed must go down to fit into the same old TDP envelope. What I think would be appropriate would be a ultra high clock, ultra high TDP version of the 18-core for workstations. Fully validated. The difference between such a chip and the FX-9590 would be that AMD did it to try and allow it's poor CPU (still a low core count chip) to compete. Intel would do it to get the clocks up and allow their best CPU to run at its full potential and compensate for the extra core count wil additional TDP and not reduced clock speed.
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There are workloads that take advantage of fewer cores and thus the higher the clockspeed the better.

A few years ago Intel did something similar, namely the Xeon X5698, a 32nm Westemere based hexacore die with four cores disabled. Then they clocked the two cores with HT at 4.4 Ghz. It has a 130w TDP.

It was also only available through OEMs and is not even listed on their ARK site.

http://www.cpu-world.com/CPUs/Xeon/Intel-Xeon%20X5698%20-%20AT80614007314AA.html


So, if they come out with a chip in this fashion, I wouldn't be surprised. The rumour is believable. I've got my doubts on the 5.1 Ghz clockspeed though, it seems a bit high.

Yes, the X5698 was a nice chip, but they cut off four cores just to cram it into an absurdly small TDP envelope. They would have sold more of them if they ran at a higher TDP, but this wasn't possible due to limitations in the reference VRM design that was incapable of high TDP processors (the same problem they have now with high TDP chips 2 platforms later).

Hopefully they beef up the reference VRM design for Purley to be able to accomodate high TDP processors.

That said, there is nothing stopping from offering a 1P version of the 18-core with 250-300W TDP that works on the X99 boards that are out there.
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When the core count goes up, the clock speed must go down to fit into the same old TDP envelope. What I think would be appropriate would be a ultra high clock, ultra high TDP version of the 18-core for workstations. Fully validated. The difference between such a chip and the FX-9590 would be that AMD did it to try and allow it's poor CPU (still a low core count chip) to compete. Intel would do it to get the clocks up and allow their best CPU to run at its full potential and compensate for the extra core count wil additional TDP and not reduced clock speed.
Yes, the X5698 was a nice chip, but they cut off four cores just to cram it into an absurdly small TDP envelope. They would have sold more of them if they ran at a higher TDP, but this wasn't possible due to limitations in the reference VRM design that was incapable of high TDP processors (the same problem they have now with high TDP chips 2 platforms later).

Hopefully they beef up the reference VRM design for Purley to be able to accomodate high TDP processors.

That said, there is nothing stopping from offering a 1P version of the 18-core with 250-300W TDP that works on the X99 boards that are out there.

More like there's nothing incentivizing them to do it. XD
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More like there's nothing incentivizing them to do it. XD

Nothing except for being able to charge a king's ransom for the thing and having performance-crazed lunatics such as myself throw whatever money they'd ask for one...biggrin.gif
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Nothing except for being able to charge a king's ransom for the thing and having performance-crazed lunatics such as myself throw whatever money they'd ask for one...biggrin.gif

Too bad they make more money locking them down. I agree it would be pretty badass to have two unlocked 18c CPUs. EVGA SR-3 anyone?
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Too bad they make more money locking them down. I agree it would be pretty badass to have two unlocked 18c CPUs. EVGA SR-3 anyone?

They wouldn't make any less money if they were unlocked...the top SKU would just serve two different markets. The straight laced, ultra reliability folks who buy servers would use it at it's default speed and the speed freaks would use it in systems like a theoretical SR-3. Either way, Intel sells them...and by selling this top dollar SKU to a new niche market with deep pockets, they stand to sell more chips and make more money.

Even a locked 300W TDP 1P 18-core would be nice...at that TDP, the chip is working at it's full potential, and would carry validation at that TDP to boot...smile.gif
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They wouldn't make any less money if they were unlocked...the top SKU would just serve two different markets. The straight laced, ultra reliability folks who buy servers would use it at it's default speed and the speed freaks would use it in systems like a theoretical SR-3. Either way, Intel sells them...and by selling this top dollar SKU to a new niche market with deep pockets, they stand to sell more chips and make more money.

Even a locked 300W TDP 1P 18-core would be nice...at that TDP, the chip is working at it's full potential, and would carry validation at that TDP to boot...smile.gif

I was referring to the entire lineup and their motto of "if you need a faster CPU, just buy one that's clocked faster [for more money]". Genius if you think about it. I'm honestly surprised they don't do that with their mainstream chips anymore. Could sell a 4.5 GHz 6700K for $450. 4.6 GHz for $475. 4.7 GHz for $500. Just lock them all down and forget about OCing. thumb.gif

They should just create an E5-2699X v3 and have it unlocked + priced higher. Wouldn't have to do many changes (such as releasing it as an i7 with new packaging and whatnot) or market it really.
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