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I was referring to the entire lineup and their motto of "if you need a faster CPU, just buy one that's clocked faster [for more money]". Genius if you think about it. I'm honestly surprised they don't do that with their mainstream chips anymore. Could sell a 4.5 GHz 6700K for $450. 4.6 GHz for $475. 4.7 GHz for $500. Just lock them all down and forget about OCing. thumb.gif

They should just create an E5-2699X v3 and have it unlocked + priced higher. Wouldn't have to do many changes (such as releasing it as an i7 with new packaging and whatnot) or market it really.

The problem is that they are sticking stubbornly to a TDP that is very low (for high-end workstation or enthusiast use). You can buy a faster clocked CPU, but are forced to give up a huge amount of cores to do so to stay in that TDP envelope. What I want to see is either a CPU that allows us to set our own TDP by overclocking or have a locked chip that already functions at the TDP and clock speed we'd be running at if we overclocked it ourselves under good water (250-300W). Either way would work. Simply unlocking the E5-2699 V3 would be easiest for Intel though...just one switch needs to be flicked during manufacturing, rather than a separate SKU. A locked high TDP chip would also have to be limited to the X99 platform, or qualified boards only, due to insufficient VRM capacity in the reference EP design.
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The problem is that they are sticking stubbornly to a TDP that is very low (for high-end workstation or enthusiast use). You can buy a faster clocked CPU, but are forced to give up a huge amount of cores to do so to stay in that TDP envelope. What I want to see is either a CPU that allows us to set our own TDP by overclocking or have a locked chip that already functions at the TDP and clock speed we'd be running at if we overclocked it ourselves under good water (250-300W). Either way would work. Simply unlocking the E5-2699 V3 would be easiest for Intel though...just one switch needs to be flicked during manufacturing, rather than a separate SKU. A locked high TDP chip would also have to be limited to the X99 platform, or qualified boards only, due to insufficient VRM capacity in the reference EP design.

Why limit it? C612 doesn't support OCing. Now that I think about it, it wouldn't make a whole lot of sense having it as a 26XX CPU since (AFAIK) dual socket v3 boards don't use X99. Would probably have to brand it something like i7 5999X and limit it to single-socket boards.
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Why limit it? C612 doesn't support OCing. Now that I think about it, it wouldn't make a whole lot of sense having it as a 26XX CPU since (AFAIK) dual socket v3 boards don't use X99. Would probably have to brand it something like i7 5999X and limit it to single-socket boards.

An unlocked E5-2699 V3 should be overclockable on boards like the Z10PE-D8, since it would be strictly a multiplier based overclock. Even if for some reason it wouldn't work in that dual configuration, you could still take an unlocked E5-2699 V3 and use it on any X99 board, no rebrand required.wink.gif

The same unlocked CPU would work perfectly in a 2P 1U rack server at default clock speeds or in an X99-based super system. No changes required (except the unlock)...wink.gif
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The problem is that they are sticking stubbornly to a TDP that is very low (for high-end workstation or enthusiast use). You can buy a faster clocked CPU, but are forced to give up a huge amount of cores to do so to stay in that TDP envelope. What I want to see is either a CPU that allows us to set our own TDP by overclocking or have a locked chip that already functions at the TDP and clock speed we'd be running at if we overclocked it ourselves under good water (250-300W). Either way would work. Simply unlocking the E5-2699 V3 would be easiest for Intel though...just one switch needs to be flicked during manufacturing, rather than a separate SKU. A locked high TDP chip would also have to be limited to the X99 platform, or qualified boards only, due to insufficient VRM capacity in the reference EP design.

why insist on using xeon chips? xeon aren't meant to be overclocked, they were intended for server use.

if intel puts these chips at 300W TDP, they'd end up with cooling requirements that has quadruple in operation costs.
you're looking at an additional 150W of power consumption, and the additional cooling equipment to cool that off.
cooling isn't a something that magically grows on trees, or even if it does grow on trees they'd be expensive to cultivate and harvest.
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The same unlocked CPU would work perfectly in a 2P 1U rack server at default clock speeds or in an X99-based super system. No changes required (except the unlock)...wink.gif
why would they leave it unlocked if they don't want anyone overclocking their chips?
Edited by epic1337 - 2/3/16 at 8:21am
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An unlocked E5-2699 V3 should be overclockable on boards like the Z10PE-D8, since it would be strictly a multiplier based overclock. Even if for some reason it wouldn't work in that dual configuration, you could still take an unlocked E5-2699 V3 and use it on any X99 board, no rebrand required.wink.gif

The same unlocked CPU would work perfectly in a 2P 1U rack server at default clock speeds or in an X99-based super system. No changes required (except the unlock)...wink.gif

So Intel is lying or am I misunderstanding it?

http://www.asus.com/Motherboards/Z10PED8_WS/

"Intel® C612 Express Chipset"

http://ark.intel.com/products/81759/Intel-DH82029-PCH

Supports Overclocking No

Unless they differentiate between BCLK and multi overclocking but I don't know.
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why insist on using xeon chips? xeon aren't meant to be overclocked, they were intended for server use.

if intel puts these chips at 300W TDP, they'd end up with cooling requirements that has quadruple in operation costs.
you're looking at an additional 150W of power consumption, and the additional cooling equipment to cool that off.
cooling isn't a something that magically grows on trees, or even if it does grow on trees they'd be expensive to cultivate and harvest.
why would they leave it unlocked if they don't want anyone overclocking their chips?

A 300W version would be useful for those of us (high end workstation users, ultra high end enthusiasts) who desire Intel's best chip running at it's full potential and is an option considering Intel's refusal to unlock said chip. It would also guarantee the chips's ability to do that speed at that TDP. The easier way is for the top Xeon to be unlocked, and allow us to choose our own TDP. A 250-300W TDP is easily coolable with off the shelf water cooling gear.

Xeons are meant for server use, but there is no reason why they can't provide an ultra high end solution as well. They are Intel's best chips and best suited to running at high clock speeds. The HEDT i7 is merely a Xeon reject that didn't make the cut...and is rebadged and sold to the consumer market. The single socket Xeons have been fully unlocked for YEARS with no issues to the intended workstation market and are quite desirable amongst high end enthusiasts.

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So Intel is lying or am I misunderstanding it?

http://www.asus.com/Motherboards/Z10PED8_WS/

"Intel® C612 Express Chipset"

http://ark.intel.com/products/81759/Intel-DH82029-PCH

Supports Overclocking No

Unless they differentiate between BCLK and multi overclocking but I don't know.


It doesn't officially support overclocking, but neither does the C236...wink.gif I'm guessing that simple multiplier overclocks would work (considering that very small BCLK overclocks do work) but even if not, an unlocked 18-core could easily be used with X99.
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I dunno, I think these Xeons are clocked low for a reason. An overclocked 5960X with "just" 8 cores can reach over 300W under synthetics. With more than twice the core count, I can't imagine how much heat an E5-2699 v3 overclocked to 4.5 or even 4 GHz would put out. Also with that many cores, it's bound to overclock worse than the lower core count parts. I understand all Xeons are automatically "golden samples", but statistically speaking, it's still going to overclock worse than a lower core count part.

I almost wonder if Intel did toy with this idea, but decided not to go down the path because such an overclocked chip would either set fire to the mobo VRMs, overclock very poorly, or become uncontrollably hot. I mean I just can't see Intel throwing away good money if there was good money to be made, but who knows.
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I dunno, I think these Xeons are clocked low for a reason. An overclocked 5960X with "just" 8 cores can reach over 300W under synthetics. With more than twice the core count, I can't imagine how much heat an E5-2699 v3 overclocked to 4.5 or even 4 GHz would put out. Also with that many cores, it's bound to overclock worse than the lower core count parts. I understand all Xeons are automatically "golden samples", but statistically speaking, it's still going to overclock worse than a lower core count part.

I almost wonder if Intel did toy with this idea, but decided not to go down the path because such an overclocked chip would either set fire to the mobo VRMs, overclock very poorly, or become uncontrollably hot. I mean I just can't see Intel throwing away good money if there was good money to be made, but who knows.

The 5960X will hit 300W when pushed to the absolute limit under heavy voltage, which wouldn't be the goal here. I just want to see the ample headroom available in the chip used at a comfortable voltage.

A 300W 18-core isn't going to match a 5960X in clock speed, but would definitely narrow the gap considerably. I guessing 4GHz should be attainable with an 18-core. Intel won't do it, however (at least not with Grantley) due to the reference platform being incapable of providing that kind of power to the CPU due to underdesigned VRMs (they designed the VRMs for the current range of TDPs).
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A 300W version would be useful for those of us (high end workstation users, ultra high end enthusiasts) who desire Intel's best chip running at it's full potential and is an option considering Intel's refusal to unlock said chip. It would also guarantee the chips's ability to do that speed at that TDP. The easier way is for the top Xeon to be unlocked, and allow us to choose our own TDP. A 250-300W TDP is easily coolable with off the shelf water cooling gear.

Xeons are meant for server use, but there is no reason why they can't provide an ultra high end solution as well. They are Intel's best chips and best suited to running at high clock speeds. The HEDT i7 is merely a Xeon reject that didn't make the cut...and is rebadged and sold to the consumer market. The single socket Xeons have been fully unlocked for YEARS with no issues to the intended workstation market and are quite desirable amongst high end enthusiasts.
It doesn't officially support overclocking, but neither does the C236...wink.gif I'm guessing that simple multiplier overclocks would work (considering that very small BCLK overclocks do work) but even if not, an unlocked 18-core could easily be used with X99.

and how few would that user-base be?
a few hundred thousand dollars of additional sales, as opposed to a few million dollars of costs for a new SKU, you can see why they aren't doing it.

as for this E5 at 5.1Ghz, they've already got the samples from the desktop SKUs, all they had to do is an additional binning.
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and how few would that user-base be?
a few hundred thousand dollars of additional sales, as opposed to a few million dollars of costs for a new SKU, you can see why they aren't doing it.

as for this E5 at 5.1Ghz, they've already got the samples from the desktop SKUs, all they had to do is an additional binning.

To unlock the E5-2699 V3, while being too late at this point in the product cycle, would incur exactly zero additional cost. Even the high TDP chip wouldn't cost that much extra cost...would mainly require a rebinning to see where most of the chips end up in clock speed at that TDP. The only other cost would be updating datasheets and the like...wink.gif
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