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AMD can do no wrong for some people here.
They have numerous times straight up lied about either their or their competitors product all while using words like "free" and "open" to fool people.
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Maybe because it was in beta or something? You know the period where you let a select few test it.
Lol a beta of years all while at the same time game supported it.
if mantle actually took off the way AMD intended it would have never got passed "beta" stage.
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Or more like [Nvidia] Adopting Mantle, Now That It is Fully Open Sourced and isn't Held from Them by Licensing from AMD

You gotta remember that Mantle was effectively closed off to anyone except on AMD's approved developer list, of which the developers and businesses on that list were quite tiny. Remember when Intel was expressing interest in Mantle and AMD effectively denied them? Hope that wasn't suddenly forgotten.

Or are you just going to twist words instead of telling the truth?
What's your point? I didn't comment on the merits of Nvidia not adopting Mantle earlier. They really had no reason to, since the existing API's that they supported did the job. I simply said they were now adopting it under a new name, which they can do without looking like they made a concession to, or pay royalties to, AMD. I actually said long ago that AMD should open-source Mantle.

At the same time, I don't think giving AMD credit for new technology they develop is unreasonable. Unless you miss your old Netburst rigs and never want to run more than 3.5 GB of RAM.
     
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1. I think people do not take into consideration how much more difficult it is to implement low-level API utilization for game developers, who are already hammered with overly short deadlines for more and more complex and graphically advanced products (games). Being able to optimize for so many possible PC configurations with a high-level API, so imagine how much time its going to take to optimize for all those configurations with low-level API.

2. Look at Steam, the biggest Digital Video Game Media distributor, and tel me how many high-end hardware-demanding indie games you see vs. how many AAA games you see on Popular or Upcoming games? I think AAA games have higher sales per game (Steam's Top Sales), but there are fewer of them. Why complicate indie-game development with more complex low-level API when its not necessary for their simple-graphics needs?

3. Adoption. Neither DirectX 12 nor Vulkan will become main-stream this year. It makes more sense to slowly work on supporting low-level thoroughly while focusing on good-old DirectX 11, which still has at least some room for optimization.

4. Consoles. Regardless of what any game developer company says about their PC priorities, PC game support will always be the last item on their lists. Aren't they going to introduce DirectX 12 features into consoles? That is when it will make sensen to focus on DirectX 12 and Vulkan for better console-to-PC game porting.

5. They just don't care that much because this is not going to affect their video-card sales in the near future...

What we need is Vulkan renderer support in upcoming Doom game!

From my viewpoint - the option to do something on low level is good - an indie dev with his "simple gfx needs" does not need to go to low level to get the performance he desires. However, he has an option to write a low level snippet of code that does something exactly like he needs/wants if it would simplify his work. For example - as far as I understand it might be hard to use the GFX card simultaneously for compute and gfx tasks under the current API's. Not impossible but hard. Under Vulcan a dev could write a custom function at relatively low level (but still sufficiently abstracted to work on different cards) that, for example, helps him/her to better simulate flow of liquids / gases / smoke / fire, etc for some kind of neat special effect in his indie game. After all, it's not the AAA games that innovate but most of the time fresh ideas and effects emerge from the indie games. In AAA games you get "it's a dog!!11!!" and "now the fish swims around!!11!!".
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