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Just recieved this monitor and like it so far, only thing that makes me want to return it is a very uneven backlight. The right half of the screen is "way" darker than the left side, and when moving a white window around on the screen it is easy to see differences in the white frown.gif Will post some pictures soon.
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Just recieved this monitor and like it so far, only thing that makes me want to return it is a very uneven backlight. The right half of the screen is "way" darker than the left side, and when moving a white window around on the screen it is easy to see differences in the white frown.gif Will post some pictures soon.
Acer is known for lack of QC.
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That is why I am buying from microcenter, I am going to test it out on the spot
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Too bad bud, just take it back and get another one.
The one I got is just perfect, loving it so much I'd sleep with it if I could.
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Hello guys. My story short:
- had TN 10 years ago -> slow, wrong colors, bad angles... - you name it
- bought IPS (DELL 2711), cos everybody said how awesome it was -> it was good monitor but - too slow, too grainy, too oversaturated (wide gamut), weak contrast (1:700?) and the worst part was IPS white glow, which I wasn't prepared for, because back then - nobody talked about it biggrin.gif
- now I have VA (EIZO Foris FG2421) and for some time - it was almost perfect monitor for me. 120Hz, awesome contrast (1:4000), glossy coating (I'm only playing games on it and only in dark room), easy to render 1920x1080. BUT! Almost no red (only "orange"), too small (23,5") and too pixelated (only 1920x1080) (VA black crush is there, but IMHO it's the least annoying drawback from all panel types - IPS glow and TN angles)

I really loved 27" with 2560x1440 on my Dell and now, when there are GTX 1070/1080, rendering power is not a problem. In fact, it looks like power to render 4K will be affordable soon.

So I started to look for some new monitor. In ideal world, the OLEDs will be there already, but I would be happy also with VA, if there is some 27" 2560x1440@100hz (at least) with good color reproduction. But it looks like everybody loves only IPS although it has ****ty contrast and IPS glow, which is very frustrating for me.

But I'm prepared to make some sacrifices. So I did my research, read all the internet biggrin.gif and picked some favorites. At the end I decided to order them all and compare them side by side and keep only the winner. So tomorrow these monitors should arrive (sorted from cheapest):
27 DELL S2716DG - 500€ - I'd like to see how modern TN looks like - what's the color reproduction, speed and if the bronze/white craziness near the top and bottom edges isn't actually better than IPS white glow (I'm always looking at monitor just straight ahead, so viewing angles doesn't really bothers me - only near the corners)
27 Acer XB270HU - 600€ - chepeast 27" 2560x1440@144 IPS with gsync - it was best gaming monitor on tftcentral back in 2015 with good numbers in the review. So I'm expecting just the troubles with contrast and glow. And I really do not care about additional port on XB271HU which is 150€ more in our country, so 270 should be still fine (still would love to compare 270 with 271 but I tried to stay reasonable with monitor count).
27 ROG PG279Q - 700€ - modern 27" 2560x1440@144 IPS - another reason why I didn't pick 271. I'm looking forward to compare it with Acer. Opinions on net (Asus vs Acer) is 50:50, so we will see.
32 ACER XB321HK - 1000€ - this should be absolutely amazing size+resolution (not too tiny as 4K on 27" but still crisper than 2560x1440) so I will see, if it will justify the price, need for power and sacrifice of 144Hz

one comment to the prices - they are all "unpacked" on my store - therefore they are little bit cheaper than usual... (I known - somebody already returned them - but I don't care. I don't believe in huge differences between monitors of the same model. In worst scenario - I'll return them all rolleyes.gif)
another comment to the selection - I didn't choose PG278Q because DELL is 200€ less and I believe that DELL make better monitors than Asus, although on tftcentral Asus has better color reproduction, contrast and is even little bit faster

soooo... I'm planing to write some review (or comparison) here - meanwhile - ask for some concrete tests if you are interested...
Edited by curio124 - 6/19/16 at 3:03pm
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Hello guys. My story short:
- had TN 10 years ago -> slow, wrong colors, bad angles... - you name it
- bought IPS (DELL 2711), cos everybody said how awesome it was -> it was good monitor but - too slow, too grainy, too oversaturated (wide gamut), weak contrast (1:700?) and the worst part was IPS white glow, which I wasn't prepared for, because back then - nobody talked about it biggrin.gif
- now I have VA (EIZO Foris FG2421) and for some time - it was almost perfect monitor for me. 120Hz, awesome contrast (1:4000), glossy coating (I'm only playing games on it and only in dark room), easy to render 1920x1080. BUT! Almost no red (only "orange"), too small (23,5") and too pixelated (only 1920x1080) (VA black crush is there, but IMHO it's the least annoying drawback from all panel types - IPS glow and TN angles) ...

You need a colorimeter. That'd solve your color issues with the FG2421 to some extent, and also the U2711 possibly.

Since the IPS glow bothered you a lot with the U2711, you'll want to avoid the XB270HU, XB271HU, and PG279Q, which probably have way more glow. You'd probably be most satisfied with a calibrated S2716DG, but you'll miss the contrast of the FG2421.

Alternatively you can wait for the upcoming AOC 3440 x 1440 144 Hz G-SYNC/ULMB VA monitor, but this requires a Pascal card to run at its full potential (DisplayPort 1.3 or 1.4 is needed).
 
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Hello guys. My story short:
- had TN 10 years ago -> slow, wrong colors, bad angles... - you name it
- bought IPS (DELL 2711), cos everybody said how awesome it was -> it was good monitor but - too slow, too grainy, too oversaturated (wide gamut), weak contrast (1:700?) and the worst part was IPS white glow, which I wasn't prepared for, because back then - nobody talked about it biggrin.gif
- now I have VA (EIZO Foris FG2421) and for some time - it was almost perfect monitor for me. 120Hz, awesome contrast (1:4000), glossy coating (I'm only playing games on it and only in dark room), easy to render 1920x1080. BUT! Almost no red (only "orange"), too small (23,5") and too pixelated (only 1920x1080) (VA black crush is there, but IMHO it's the least annoying drawback from all panel types - IPS glow and TN angles)

I really loved 27" with 2560x1440 on my Dell and now, when there are GTX 1070/1080, rendering power is not a problem. In fact, it looks like power to render 4K will be affordable soon.

So I started to look for some new monitor. In ideal world, the OLEDs will be there already, but I would be happy also with VA, if there is some 27" 2560x1440@100hz (at least) with good color reproduction. But it looks like everybody loves only IPS although it has ****ty contrast and IPS glow, which is very frustrating for me.

But I'm prepared to make some sacrifices. So I did my research, read all the internet biggrin.gif and picked some favorites. At the end I decided to order them all and compare them side by side and keep only the winner. So tomorrow these monitors should arrive (sorted from cheapest):
27 DELL S2716DG - 500€ - I'd like to see how modern TN looks like - what's the color reproduction, speed and if the bronze/white craziness near the top and bottom edges isn't actually better than IPS white glow (I'm always looking at monitor just straight ahead, so viewing angles doesn't really bothers me - only near the corners)
27 Acer XB270HU - 600€ - chepeast 27" 2560x1440@144 IPS with gsync - it was best gaming monitor on tftcentral back in 2015 with good numbers in the review. So I'm expecting just the troubles with contrast and glow. And I really do not care about additional port on XB271HU which is 150€ more in our country, so 270 should be still fine (still would love to compare 270 with 271 but I tried to stay reasonable with monitor count).
27 ROG PG279Q - 700€ - modern 27" 2560x1440@144 IPS - another reason why I didn't pick 271. I'm looking forward to compare it with Acer. Opinions on net (Asus vs Acer) is 50:50, so we will see.
32 ACER XB321HK - 1000€ - this should be absolutely amazing size+resolution (not too tiny as 4K on 27" but still crisper than 2560x1440) so I will see, if it will justify the price, need for power and sacrifice of 144Hz

one comment to the prices - they are all "unpacked" on my store - therefore they are little bit cheaper than usual... (I known - somebody already returned them - but I don't care. I don't believe in huge differences between monitors of the same model. In worst scenario - I'll return them all rolleyes.gif)
another comment to the selection - I didn't choose PG278Q because DELL is 200€ less and I believe that DELL make better monitors than Asus, although on tftcentral Asus has better color reproduction, contrast and is even little bit faster

soooo... I'm planing to write some review (or comparison) here - meanwhile - ask for some concrete tests if you are interested...

Nice!! I would like to know how the acer 32" is going to be for gaming and photo editing. I have a dell p2715q but looking to go 32 inch, they advertise it as 100% srgb. so let me know how it is for semi-pro usage and gaming!
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Soo, here is a few pictures of my monitor. Brighness set to 80, but the problem is visible at all brightness ranges.

Pictures are taken directly from the front, in a dark room so no reflections or anything to distort the picture.

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Here I have cut out a square and moved it to another location of the screen, and you can really see the difference in the backlighting.

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The "backlight bleed" on a dark screen is almost non existing, and not visible under normal use, even with a completely black background. But I simply cannot accept the super uneven backlighting frown.gif

Monitor is going back this week, and I am unsure if I want to try out another one...
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OK - so I compared them all. Tried to make some pictures but I've got only phone camera and the results wasn't really representative. I try to describe everything.

Round 1 - Acer XB270HU vs Asus ROG PG279Q
I unpacked Acer first and run it as single monitor - my biggest fear was IPS glow but it was almost untracable!!! Contrast still not comparable to my VA, but with completly black screen picture was very even. So I fall imediatly to love with it, because every other aspect I was looking for was there (size, speed, 144Hz, color reproduction etc). But after some time I noticed, that white color is little bit yellowis. I do not have colorimeter and I use only OSD to adjust the monitor. But whatever I tried, white color always seems little bit yellow. So I unpacked Asus a run it side by side (I've got only 1 DP on my card, so Asus was on DP and Acer goes to HDMI). Result:
- Asus has nice and even white - no yellow tint, no nothing - very good result
- then I noticed, that Acer has more yellow tint on the left side of the monitor, which is tracable on all colors - so - backlight bleed on my sampler
- Asus has more obvious IPS glow - but only noticable in bottom right corner. very good result but Acer is winner here (with almost NO IPS glow!!!)
- I find out (only with side by side comparision) that Acer has grainy coating - definitely much noticable (worse) than Asus
- Asus has much better overal built quality (stand, back of the monitor, used materials etc) and much better OSD (Acer has really awefull OSD and everytime I changed something in color tab (gamma, color temp etc) - brightness goes back to 75)
- again - I do not have colorimeter, but to naked eye, Asus has more vibrant colors. All of them, but red was most obvious.
- Acer's screen is reflecting in bezel (OMG)
- Asus has better contrast (still not comparable to EIZO FG2421, but waaaaaaaaay much better than my old IPS DELL U2711)

So. For me Asus is winner in almost all aspects except IPS glow, which is still pretty decent. Definitely not so obvious as on my old DELL. I've got probably bad sample of Acer (because of the bleed on the left side) but I read about yellowish tint somewhere else, so it can be more common. And grainy coating, reflecting bezel, wrong OSD and worse build quality will be presented on all samples.


Round 2 - Asus ROG PG279Q vs DELL SG
DELL was faulty mad.gif Displaying just some lines and squares, so unable to compare.

Round 3 - Asus ROG PG279Q vs Acer XB321HK
OK - this is not a fair fight biggrin.gif Even tough 5 more inches doesn't seems like much it's like comparing two different devices. Monitor vs TV. I thought that 10 more cm to the side will be the sweet spot, but it's really too much. And what is even worse - it's useless.

Desktop experience:
- if the web browser is full screeen 70% of the screen is not used. On most pages you see just one column in the middle of the monitor. Picture result on google is nice, but there are too much pictures on the screen and if you are looking for specific one you'll probably miss it.
- in fact - if any kind of app is full screen, it's not just useless, it's even worse than on 27" because the controls are positioned not naturally
- if you do not change DPI you have either sit too close and constantly turning your head, or too far and cannot read anything

Gaming experience - again - IMHO useless:
- FPS games - you cannot sit too close, because you will not be able to read HUD - and if you sit little bit further, perception is like with 27"
- strategy (I tested on endless space) - I can see the whole galaxy with no need of scrolling redface.gif BUT - to be able to read something I have to look on screen from 40, max 50cm and instead of scrolling I have to move my whole head/body - it's not even enough to simply turn your head
- racing - I thought that this would be amazing... ok - it's probably better than on 27" but definitely not worth the lost of 144hz, higher price etc.

For me - this simply isn't working. I cannot see much difference in clarity of screen during gaming and on desktop with 100% DPI everything is too small. I'd suggest this monitor only to heavy multitasking users.

Quick comparison with ROG:
- colors are the same
- IPS glow is bad on Acer (just like on the picture from p0Pe) - deffinitely not as good as on 270 on which IPS glow was almost nonexisting
- contrast is the same
- coating on Acer is much better than on 270, but still grainier than on Asus
- white is more neutral than on 270 (definitely no yellow tint) but still warmer than on Asus (I tried a lot of settings and the Acer feels always little bit warmer)
- screen is still reflecting in bezel (but not as much as on 270) (Asus has no reflection)
- OSD is still ****ty


At the end I'll probably keep the ROG. But I have few more days, so I will use all 3 monitors and maybe update my results.


@enkay: I do not have colorimeter, nor am I pro who can judge with naked aye, so I can't tell if it's suitable for semi-pro editing. But I'm gamer and always looking for biggest immersion possible and as much I was looking forward to 32" I cannot suggest it for gaming. Don't get me wrong - gaming on this screen is awesome! but it's not worth the price tag, lost of 144hz and rendering power penalty for 4K. And the impression is most in "peripheral vision". If you would like to use the whole screen (looking on some HUD) you have to sit little bit further and that's not the point. And as for clarity - during the game, you can barely see if the monitor is on native 4k or interpolating to 2560x1440. Yes - you can see this, but it's not as big difference as I was expecting. You can really play with 2560x1440, but again - 27" with 144HZ will be much better.
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Round 3 - Asus ROG PG279Q vs Acer XB321HK
OK - this is not a fair fight biggrin.gif Even tough 5 more inches doesn't seems like much it's like comparing two different devices. Monitor vs TV. I thought that 10 more cm to the side will be the sweet spot, but it's really too much. And what is even worse - it's useless.
- if the web browser is full screeen 70% of the screen is not used. On most pages you see just one column in the middle of the monitor. Picture result on google is nice, but there are too much pictures on the screen and if you are looking for specific one you'll probably miss it.
- in fact - if any kind of app is full screen, it's not just useless - it'

On desktop there is always too much empty space - on google page it's like testing picture with only white background, in steam , the feeling is like siting in front of TV that is too close. More space is simple no use for me. Either I'm sitting too close (like with normal monitor) and constantly turning my head because simple eye movement is not enough to cover entire screen or sitting little bit further away seeing nothing, because pixels are to small

How are the colors and glow and bleed on the acr 32"? I am a bit confused on what you are saying about the 32"? is it 32" or 4k you have the problem with?
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