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So you aren't pro unless you are on a top 10 to 20 in the world team? I give up. Anyway that only point I'm trying to make is that. Preferences even among very good players are highly variable.

Edit: And even at that Fl0m would probably squeak by as at least an ex-pro as an which I guess is what he is since he isn't playing professional now, but whatever. I really don't remember how high I would have ranked that LG as far as world wide, but they were top 4 NA at the time at least from what I remember.

I was simply pointing out that Flom was (far as I am aware) never paid to play GO, therefore not an actual pro player. Not only that, he isn't good enough to be a pro player, or on a competitive Invite team, which Dazed agrees. The fanboy consumers are not going to care about what Flom uses due to this.
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I was simply pointing out that Flom was (far as I am aware) never paid to play GO, therefore not an actual pro player. Not only that, he isn't good enough to be a pro player, or on a competitive Invite team, which Dazed agrees. The fanboy consumers are not going to care about what Flom uses due to this.

Lol, well I'm highly confident he was payed to play GO. Also he said that he got an offer to play on a pro league team, but decided against it due to multiple factors and he doesn't really seem like the type to lie about that, but whatever. Also Dazed probably just said that while he was having one of his hissy fits like a 5 year old. I trust what he says less than literally anyone else in the entire CS:GO scene because most of it is just him talking out of his ass because he has a rage problem and will talk **** on people for literally no reason while having his hissy fits.
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Lol, well I'm highly confident he was payed to play GO. Also he said that he got an offer to play on a pro league team, but decided against it due to multiple factors and he doesn't really seem like the type to lie about that, but whatever. Also Dazed probably just said that while he was having one of his hissy fits like a 5 year old. I trust what he says less than literally anyone else in the entire CS:GO scene because most of it is just him talking out of his ass because he has a rage problem and will talk **** on people for literally no reason while having his hissy fits.

I think it was the manager, maybe the owner, of LG is where I heard about the money/contracts of the NA LG roster.

Regardless of Dazed's personality his statements are obvious ones. Didn't they kick Flom for Naf-fly?

Flom is far from being respected as a good player by the scene. Even if his opinion is accurate about Zowie mice, the general consumer won't care to listen or follow it like they do with Hiko or Scream.
Edited by popups - 1/21/16 at 12:01am
post #95 of 123
I'm not going to argue more about whether anything Dazed says should ever be taken seriously or if Flom is a good player or not. I was just using it of an example of how I don't actually think it would particularly hurt those companies specifically all that much. Also individual players would probably still sell out and use equipment they didn't feel was the absolute best if they felt it was decent and they were getting more money from that company as a sponsor. I'm sure one of the big names will just be offered such a sum of money that they won't turn it down unless they absolutely hate all of that companies mice. Then it will become companies targeting big names instead of teams. For example if shroud actually doesn't like logitech he puts on an amazing act like he does and considering how popular he seems to be (even though he hasn't performed amazing recently) I could see a marketing team at logitech offering a fairly good chunk of money to be sponsored by them if he was allowed to use whatever he wanted. I bet Razer would be willing to offer KennyS a good amount of money as well just because he probably has the most name recognition on envyus whether or not that is deserved. I can't say for sure all of them would sell out, but I'm sure some of them would to some extent and just say well I really like ______ mouse, but ______ is alright too and they offered me more money.

Edit: Actually what is the deal with Envyus's perpherals? They don't have a sponsor? I knew Kennys used a DA for whatever reason, but according to liquidpedia at least there are 3 Zowies, a SS, and Kennys with a Razer. I don't really pay attention to Envyus and kind of just assumed they were sponsored by Razer because I knew one was using a Razer.
Edited by chr1spe - 1/20/16 at 11:03pm
post #96 of 123
Interesting question I've never discussed with anybody before.. I've been playing CS on and off for 15 years now. I'm no pro, but after all of these years playing, I've grown to prefer HEAVY mice. I'm using a Corsair M65 with all three weights in now (and for the past year or so). It works for me, I can stop in an instant, aim consistency is the best it's ever been, it's just overall the best mouse [for me] I've ever used. I had to retrain myself by breaking things down into mechanical steps, but the step back seems to have put me quite a bit ahead of where I was. I'm not a small (or young) guy but the light mice just don't cut it for me and I've tried just about all of them.

Is there any example of a 'pro' or well known player who likewise uses such an unorthodox mouse? I know it's a to each their own thing, but I can sense I'd get laughed at by the young tikes playing CS: Go (even though I would pwn them with my fat boy mouse biggrin.gif). Anybody verify I'm not a lone weirdo?
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post #97 of 123
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Interesting question I've never discussed with anybody before.. I've been playing CS on and off for 15 years now. I'm no pro, but after all of these years playing, I've grown to prefer HEAVY mice. I'm using a Corsair M65 with all three weights in now (and for the past year or so). It works for me, I can stop in an instant, aim consistency is the best it's ever been, it's just overall the best mouse [for me] I've ever used. I had to retrain myself by breaking things down into mechanical steps, but the step back seems to have put me quite a bit ahead of where I was. I'm not a small (or young) guy but the light mice just don't cut it for me and I've tried just about all of them.

Is there any example of a 'pro' or well known player who likewise uses such an unorthodox mouse? I know it's a to each their own thing, but I can sense I'd get laughed at by the young tikes playing CS: Go (even though I would pwn them with my fat boy mouse biggrin.gif). Anybody verify I'm not a lone weirdo?

I'm guessing you play with a relatively high sensivity? smile.gif For me the max weight preferably doesn't exceed 110g without cable but the most important about a mice for me is how it feels in my hand/how easy it is to pick it up.
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I'm not going to argue more about whether anything Dazed says should ever be taken seriously or if Flom is a good player or not. I was just using it of an example of how I don't actually think it would particularly hurt those companies specifically all that much. Also individual players would probably still sell out and use equipment they didn't feel was the absolute best if they felt it was decent and they were getting more money from that company as a sponsor. I'm sure one of the big names will just be offered such a sum of money that they won't turn it down unless they absolutely hate all of that companies mice. Then it will become companies targeting big names instead of teams. For example if shroud actually doesn't like logitech he puts on an amazing act like he does and considering how popular he seems to be (even though he hasn't performed amazing recently) I could see a marketing team at logitech offering a fairly good chunk of money to be sponsored by them if he was allowed to use whatever he wanted. I bet Razer would be willing to offer KennyS a good amount of money as well just because he probably has the most name recognition on envyus whether or not that is deserved. I can't say for sure all of them would sell out, but I'm sure some of them would to some extent and just say well I really like ______ mouse, but ______ is alright too and they offered me more money.

Edit: Actually what is the deal with Envyus's perpherals? They don't have a sponsor? I knew Kennys used a DA for whatever reason, but according to liquidpedia at least there are 3 Zowies, a SS, and Kennys with a Razer. I don't really pay attention to Envyus and kind of just assumed they were sponsored by Razer because I knew one was using a Razer.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VPmxa3VlpdY&t=27m27s

The French players were using Razer because they were contracted to. Once they were not obligated to use Razer a lot of them switched to Zowie mice. Kenny was using Zowie mice when he wasn't on Envy or Titan. When Scream wasn't on a team he started to use his IE3 at home and switched to a FinalMouse eventually.

I don't remember any peripheral companies ever sporting Envy's GO team.

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Originally Posted by Serious_Don View Post

Interesting question I've never discussed with anybody before.. I've been playing CS on and off for 15 years now. I'm no pro, but after all of these years playing, I've grown to prefer HEAVY mice. I'm using a Corsair M65 with all three weights in now (and for the past year or so). It works for me, I can stop in an instant, aim consistency is the best it's ever been, it's just overall the best mouse [for me] I've ever used. I had to retrain myself by breaking things down into mechanical steps, but the step back seems to have put me quite a bit ahead of where I was. I'm not a small (or young) guy but the light mice just don't cut it for me and I've tried just about all of them.

Is there any example of a 'pro' or well known player who likewise uses such an unorthodox mouse? I know it's a to each their own thing, but I can sense I'd get laughed at by the young tikes playing CS: Go (even though I would pwn them with my fat boy mouse biggrin.gif). Anybody verify I'm not a lone weirdo?

I think Dennis uses a Mionix Naos.
Edited by popups - 1/21/16 at 12:18am
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VPmxa3VlpdY&t=27m27s

The French players were using Razer because they were contracted to. Once they were not obligated to use Razer a lot of them switched to Zowie mice. Kenny was using Zowie mice when he wasn't on Envy or Titan. When Scream wasn't on a team he started to use his IE3 at home and switched to a FinalMouse eventually.

I don't remember any peripheral companies ever sporting Envy's GO team.
I think Dennis uses a Mionix Naos.

I'm not arguing players won't ever switch to what they want and I think it is good for them to be able to choose whatever they want. I just don't see it specifically hurting the larger those companies that much. I guess I always am surprised how many people choose Zowies though as I personally hate them and would rather be stuck with Razer or something though I use a Logitech. They are pretty popular though I guess. I wouldn't really want to use a steal series either, but I'm not sure which I like least between the Zowies I've tried and the Steel Series I've tried. I haven't owned either so maybe I could get used to them, but my first impressions holding them and moving the mouse around a bit were not good.

Also at Star Series Denis was using a QPad http://www.hltv.org/gallery/view/56117 not sure exactly which one and whether it was laser or optical though as I don't know qpads.

Edit: Also the players choosing whether they are sponsored by someone or not won't fix all of the problems. I'm sure some will choose money over their favorite mouse even if it is stupid and all the stuff they said about companies slapping players' names and pictures on **** probably will still happen.

Edit 2: Also I forgot to say it isn't just those 3 that sponsor teams anymore.
Edited by chr1spe - 1/21/16 at 2:25am
post #100 of 123
It's only good for eSports if the players are allowed to choose whatever peripherals they want to use and prefer.

Zowie is popular because they offer very compatible shapes. Almost every shape they currently offer is usable with multiple different grips and, as they have different sizes, hand sizes. If you compare Zowies to e.g. the Rival, the G303 and the DA, it's not hard to understand what I mean. Those mice are not any better or worse - just much more dividing when it comes to opinions.

On a more technical view, Zowie does not offer anything special. This just confirms that good players prefer good shapes over overly obsessing about the minor difference in the sensor performance.
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