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does jude know anything about mice
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does jude know anything about mice

TBQH I think we all over estimateed him. Plus based on the fact that there is no GREAT mice out right now it is probably pretty hard to make something perform well and be marketable.
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TBQH I think we all over estimateed him. Plus based on the fact that there is no GREAT mice out right now it is probably pretty hard to make something perform well and be marketable.
If you make "something perform well" why would it be hard to market if it's better than the rest... just have a slogan explaining people that you value performance over rgb lights and good looks and that's it, keeping it real for people who know what they want.
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If you make "something perform well" why would it be hard to market if it's better than the rest... just have a slogan explaining people that you value performance over rgb lights and good looks and that's it, keeping it real for people who know what they want.

because leds and high dpi sells, not performance. 90% of buyers probably know nothing of jitter or mouse accel. plus businesses rather make more money than less money
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If you make "something perform well" why would it be hard to market if it's better than the rest... just have a slogan explaining people that you value performance over rgb lights and good looks and that's it, keeping it real for people who know what they want.


Plenty of mice perform well and have access to full sensor functionality.

 

"Perform well" is also not defined so how would you prove that.

 

The idea that RGB LEDs hurt performance is rubbish. Do people here really need to be reminded that Finalmouse and Zowie have mice with LEDs that CAN'T be turned off.

 

 

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because leds and high dpi sells, not performance. 90% of buyers probably know nothing of jitter or mouse accel. plus businesses rather make more money than less money

 

High DPI, customizability and buttons are what appealing to most consumers. Logitech G502 has excellent performance and all of this. However, some people on this forum dislike the higher weight and button placement. That is fine but is not the same thing as performance and more about personal preference.

 

Finalmouse/Zowie have their unique brand of marketing that is as false as everybody elses. Their marketing gimmicks are all about differentiating themselves from others on the market and saving costs for themselves (no software) but not passing any of those savings on to the consumer. Finalmouse mice cost $70 which is far more expensive and has a huge profit margin for them. Not even Zowie was that egregious with their pricing.
 

Like Zowie they aren't really about performance. It's about business. Their approach (and they know it) is based upon a false compromise that locks users out of full sensor functionality in modern sensors such as adjusting LOD and changing CPI in small increments.

 

Honestly, I hate everything about the gaming mouse market in all directions. I understand why the market is like it is and that as much just shows the failure of consumers both on this forum and in the wider market. I'm sick of the many people here who simultaneously complain about high prices and "gamer aesthetics" while then buying a $70 mouse with an LED that can't be turned off and little functionality made by a business that lies through its teeth constantly.

 

Not even Zowie is as bad Finalmouse and I never thought I'd be saying that 2 years ago. Zowie at least put some effort into changing LOD and polling rate through button combinations.

 

At least the best sensor on the market is also the most marketable for now. Long live the PMW-3360 and I hope that it remains king a very long time so that everybody is using it in all their mice rather than the A9800. The A9500 has been buried and the A9800 needs to be buried with it.

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The idea that RGB LEDs hurt performance is rubbish.


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So I figured out something a little bit strange. My Recon's polling rate normalizes a lot when I turn off all the lights. I have a good power supply and ithe mouse is plugged directly into one of the motherboard usb ports, but I still had this problem. I was testing the built-in profile 1, just to see if it also had the polling problem....and it didn't.

I figured out that I was on the 800dpi sensitivity, which has all the lights off on the default profile. When I switched to a higher DPI that had lights on, my polling rate would go all over the place again. I set my custom profile to have no lights, and now all DPI steps have acceptable polling characteristics..

Weird problem, but if this is bothering anyone, you can try it yourself.
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Yeah, but I turned all the leds off because it was making the polling rate fluctuate too much as you know.
I find it interesting because I thought that normally the 3090 performed better on single colored pads.

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All the more reason why you should be able to turn off the LEDs then.

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does jude know anything about mice

Jude knows about mice. Jude does not know mice.
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We should cut FM some slack. They seem like a small start up so they may not have the resources and invested research compared to competitors in this market for decade(s). Looking forward to seeing the scream design to see how much of the community's feedback FM will actually use.

However, advertising a products mass that is off by ~15% cannot be justified! The mouse is light already so just come clean with its actual mass
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We should cut FM some slack. They seem like a small start up so they may not have the resources and invested research compared to competitors in this market for decade(s). Looking forward to seeing the scream design to see how much of the community's feedback FM will actually use.

However, advertising a products mass that is off by ~15% cannot be justified! The mouse is light already so just come clean with its actual mass

agreed, that's why if people have issues they should return them for a new one and let finalmouse know. the free market works well with this stuff, if enough people complain then they are likely to fix the issues. plus they don't have the resources that bigger companies do for manufacturing. I think they do pretty well for what they are so far. think about how over-saturated the gaming market is with mice and keyboards now.
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