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As a person with an actual B.S. in Astronomy I just want to point out a few enlightening things.

The paper is published under one of the two foremost publishers for Astronomy in the US, even international papers get published here. The paper would have gone under a peer-review process where the editor hands the paper to someone who is, likewise, in the field as the authors and goes through the citations and the math to make sure everything appears to be ok. Now astronomy is not the hardest place to get published when you have actual science; the acceptance rate is something like 80% versus other fields like the medical field but this paper has got its merits.

Now whether what they propose will stand up to future papers to come is a different matter.

I encourage people to read the introduction to the actual paper if they can. It isn't the most difficult part to understand by any means. In a nutshell though it introduces that the strange clustering of objects in the Kuiper Belt could be a result of these peoples ideas (it gives citations to those papers). However, in the thesis statement it says, and I paraphrase radically: those are all good and all but we got this other mechanism and this is how we are going to prove it. And in the back of the author's mind they are probably thinking "come at me bro".
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I wonder if this object, assuming it exists and is as large as estimated, would officially meet the new criteria of planethood, given that it probably hasn't cleared it's orbit?
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I wonder if this object, assuming it exists and is as large as estimated, would officially meet the new criteria of planethood, given that it probably hasn't cleared it's orbit?

I think if such a planet is found, the definition of a planet will need to be modified. I think that they would modify the definition such that as long as it clears out the majority of its orbit, it is a planet: i.e. there aren't asteroids and dwarf planets all over its orbit.
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I wonder if this object, assuming it exists and is as large as estimated, would officially meet the new criteria of planethood, given that it probably hasn't cleared it's orbit?

That depends, as the wiki page says,
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Stern, currently leading the NASA New Horizons mission to Pluto, disagrees with the reclassification of Pluto on the basis that—like Pluto—Earth, Mars, Jupiter and Neptune have not cleared their orbital neighbourhoods either. Earth co-orbits with 10,000 near-Earth asteroids (NEAs), and Jupiter has 100,000 trojans in its orbital path. "If Neptune had cleared its zone, Pluto wouldn't be there", he now says

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clearing_the_neighbourhood


This planet is certainly massive enough,
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Its mass would pull bodies like VP113 and Sedna away from Neptune’s gravitational grasp and towards it, trapping them in resonant orbits like the six observed, while clearing out the zone of the Kuiper Cliff, in the same manner that Jupiter’s gravity clears out the Kirkwood Gaps in the Asteroid Belt.

https://astronomynow.com/2016/01/20/compelling-evidence-for-a-ninth-planet-in-the-solar-system/
    
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but does it really orbit around the sun? the orbit path is far too large for the sun's gravitational field to influence it.
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I wonder if this object, assuming it exists and is as large as estimated, would officially meet the new criteria of planethood, given that it probably hasn't cleared it's orbit?
It would. Assuming it exists, it orbits more in the planetary plane than Pluto does. It would be massive enough that it doesn't share its orbit with a large body like Pluto does with Charon. Certainly a planet, if you ask me.
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I don't see this as good news.
post #18 of 90
Can't wait until we get a visual on this "planet x".
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the orbit path is far too large for the sun's gravitational field to influence it.

No, it's not.
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It would be massive enough that it doesn't share its orbit with a large body like Pluto does with Charon. Certainly a planet, if you ask me.

Pluto and Charon are binary, but that's not why Pluto isn't considered a planet. Neither is mass.
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Can't wait until we get a visual on this "planet x".

I read somewhere that the Chinese documented this "heavenly body" on numerous occasions in their astronomical records, with the timing coinciding with some supposed disasters on earth. Hopefully this is wrong.
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