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An object with the properties described has to fall within a certain orbit. You cannot separate the existence of the object from the proposed orbital path.

The mere existence of the object itself isn't a determining factor of what it's orbit would actually be - The orbit could be way different that what's being theorized at this time.

You also made the point for me by saying "Proposed Orbital Path" meaning this is still theoretical with nothing factual at this time to define it ...... All I'm saying here is we just don't have enough info (Yet) to declare anything as an absolute, we haven't even seen it yet to really know it's true size or anything. rolleyes.gif

In fact while it's very existence is still in question at this time, there is a great deal of evidence to support something really is out there but as to what this something is well... you know.
I mean we all know it's got to be a planet to have the effects that's been observed and measured.


Seriously, all we can do at this time is make our best guess with what limited info we do have, continue to watch and gather evidence. redface.gif
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The mere existence of the object itself isn't a determining factor of what it's orbit would actually be - The orbit could be way different that what's being theorized at this time.

You also made the point for me by saying "Proposed Orbital Path" meaning this is still theoretical with nothing factual at this time to define it ...... All I'm saying here is we just don't have enough info (Yet) to declare anything as an absolute, we haven't even seen it yet to really know it's true size or anything. rolleyes.gif

In fact while it's very existence is still in question at this time, there is a great deal of evidence to support something really is out there but as to what this something is well... you know.
I mean we all know it's got to be a planet to have the effects that's been observed and measured.


Seriously, all we can do at this time is make our best guess with what limited info we do have, continue to watch and gather evidence. redface.gif

That;s how a scientist should take info. Unless we know, question every possibility.
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For the record it wouldn't be the first time than the existence and position of an otherwise undetected planet has been predicted from mathematical analysis.

That's how Le Verrier 'discovered' Neptune in the XIX century (without the benefit of supercomputers).
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For the record it wouldn't be the first time than the existence and position of an otherwise undetected planet has been predicted from mathematical analysis.

That's how Le Verrier 'discovered' Neptune in the XIX century (without the benefit of supercomputers).

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For the record it wouldn't be the first time than the existence and position of an otherwise undetected planet has been predicted from mathematical analysis.

That's how Le Verrier 'discovered' Neptune in the XIX century (without the benefit of supercomputers).

The story of the discovery and the claims made were quite interesting as well. Politics, it's everywhere.
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Everyone with eyes has the ability to observe space to some degree, but this object has only been inferred through careful scrutiny of other objects that cannot themselves be observed without much more advanced tools.

The idea that an ancient civilization knew of an object of this size that never comes closer than ~76 AU is flatly ludicrous.

The Greeks and Romans (and even their far more ancient predecessors the Sumerians and Assyrians) named their deities after planets. The god of the Sea in Roman mythology is... when was that planet discovered? In the 19th century? So how did the Romans, the Greeks, the far more ancient Sumerians and Assyrians know about the existence of Neptune?

 

You want an even better one? How about the God Orcus or the Greek counterpart Hades? They were associated with Pluto. Do tell how they knew about the existence of Pluto when they can't possibly have known about it.

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I wonder how much the ATS.com nutjobs are spazzing out over Nibiru now.
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The Greeks and Romans (and even their far more ancient predecessors the Sumerians and Assyrians) named their deities after planets. The god of the Sea in Roman mythology is... when was that planet discovered? In the 19th century? So how did the Romans, the Greeks, the far more ancient Sumerians and Assyrians know about the existence of Neptune?

You want an even better one? How about the God Orcus or the Greek counterpart Hades? They were associated with Pluto. Do tell how they knew about the existence of Pluto when they can't possibly have known about it.

You wont get an answer, there is a level of condescension that comes in when people talk about ancient societies. Sure we are the most advanced but that doesn't mean humans with pretty much the same ideas and brain power couldn't sit and stare into space for hundreds of years before us and track objects in space.
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The Greeks and Romans (and even their far more ancient predecessors the Sumerians and Assyrians) named their deities after planets. The god of the Sea in Roman mythology is... when was that planet discovered? In the 19th century? So how did the Romans, the Greeks, the far more ancient Sumerians and Assyrians know about the existence of Neptune?

You want an even better one? How about the God Orcus or the Greek counterpart Hades? They were associated with Pluto. Do tell how they knew about the existence of Pluto when they can't possibly have known about it.

You wont get an answer, there is a level of condescension that comes in when people talk about ancient societies. Sure we are the most advanced but that doesn't mean humans with pretty much the same ideas and brain power couldn't sit and stare into space for hundreds of years before us and track objects in space.

The answer is evident, you'd have to be professionally adept at double think to not accept the truth and religiously cling to the idea that only we, the so called modern man, are capable of maths.

 

I have posed several questions in this thread that have gone unanswered due to answering them would mean that those who are condescending towards us will have to accept how wrong they are and accept that their religious fervor is mistaken.

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I wonder how much the ATS.com nutjobs are spazzing out over Nibiru now.

A lot less than those who called those people nutjubs now that the existence of Planet X/Nibiru/whatever you like to call it has been accepted.

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