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I've been telling people about Nibiru/PlanetX for years and they look at me like i'm crazy biggrin.gifbiggrin.gif Personally i'm hoping Anunnaki troops are on there way here right now to liberate their creations from tyrannical Government.

On can hope eh!!

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A lot less than those who called those people nutjubs now that the existence of Planet X/Nibiru/whatever you like to call it has been accepted.

it's been known for quite a while that there may be another planet, but this is the first serious claim. The issue is the ATS nutjobs take it to a level of crazy that is just hilarious (Nibiru, raptor jesus, etc)

They're nutjobs because most crazies you see on ATS want to believe something regardless of the evidence, they aren't out to find the truth. They're actually quite close minded as they won't process what's being shared with them, ignore the possibility they're wrong, or just use straw man arguments to say they aren't proven wrong. If your goal was the truth you wouldn't act as if any of this was fact, but you would try to prove it is.

The moonlanding hoax morons are the best example.
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The Greeks and Romans (and even their far more ancient predecessors the Sumerians and Assyrians) named their deities after planets. The god of the Sea in Roman mythology is... when was that planet discovered? In the 19th century? So how did the Romans, the Greeks, the far more ancient Sumerians and Assyrians know about the existence of Neptune?

You want an even better one? How about the God Orcus or the Greek counterpart Hades? They were associated with Pluto. Do tell how they knew about the existence of Pluto when they can't possibly have known about it.

They didn't (lacked telescopes, invented in 1608).

Those planets were named in the XIX~XX centuries to keep with tradition of naming planets after classical deities.

Recently the pantheon has been expanded to include other cultures (v.g. Sedna after an Inuit goddess, Makemake after Rapa Nui's god of fertility).


BTW until better judgment prevailed planet Uranus was initially named 'George'. smile.gif
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They didn't (lacked telescopes, invented in 1608).

Those planets were named in the XIX~XX centuries to keep with tradition of naming planets after classical deities.

Recently the pantheon has been expanded to include other cultures (v.g. Sedna after an Inuit goddess, Makemake after Rapa Nui's god of fertility).


BTW until better judgment prevailed planet Uranus was initially named 'George'. smile.gif
There are numerous speculations to the contrary, the Dogon of Mali and Giza/Orion correlation as examples. But in general, all ancient astronomy claims do indeed tend to have significant omissions or errors in their narrative.

We cannot say for a scientific certainty that telescopes are necessary to discover some of the outer planets. We can say that given our current knowledge and understanding, we do not know how ancient peoples could have discovered something like Neptune without a telescope.

Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.
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it's been known for quite a while that there may be another planet, but this is the first serious claim. The issue is the ATS nutjobs take it to a level of crazy that is just hilarious (Nibiru, raptor jesus, etc)

They're nutjobs because most crazies you see on ATS want to believe something regardless of the evidence, they aren't out to find the truth. They're actually quite close minded as they won't process what's being shared with them, ignore the possibility they're wrong, or just use straw man arguments to say they aren't proven wrong. If your goal was the truth you wouldn't act as if any of this was fact, but you would try to prove it is.

The moonlanding hoax morons are the best example.

Out of this small wall of text, literally the first thing I seen was "Raptor Jesus". It just flew off the screen at me, right smack in the eyeballs!!

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The mere existence of the object itself isn't a determining factor of what it's orbit would actually be - The orbit could be way different that what's being theorized at this time.

The hypothetical mass and orbit are what is required to account for the orbits of Sedna and these other KBOs. Predicting the orbit is pretty much required to find the object.
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The Greeks and Romans (and even their far more ancient predecessors the Sumerians and Assyrians) named their deities after planets.

You have it backwards.
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The god of the Sea in Roman mythology is... when was that planet discovered? In the 19th century?

Modern astronomers named Neptune after the Roman god...the Romans had no idea that the planet was there.
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So how did the Romans, the Greeks, the far more ancient Sumerians and Assyrians know about the existence of Neptune?

They didn't.
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You want an even better one? How about the God Orcus or the Greek counterpart Hades? They were associated with Pluto. Do tell how they knew about the existence of Pluto when they can't possibly have known about it.

You cannot possibly be serious in believing that modern naming convention implies that ancient civilizations knew about these objects...

If I name my dog Abraham does that mean the ancient Israelites foresaw his existence?
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The hypothetical mass and orbit are what is required to account for the orbits of Sedna and these other KBOs. Predicting the orbit is pretty much required to find the object.

I get that - That's how it was determined it could be out there.
All I'm saying is we shouldn't be expressing it as an absolute ATM, there's simply not enough info at this time to make it as an absolute.

I know as more info about it is obtained we'll have a clearer picture of what's really going on. thumb.gif
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All I'm saying is we shouldn't be expressing it as an absolute ATM, there's simply not enough info at this time to make it as an absolute.

I never came close to implying the existence of this object was an absolute, just that if they find something that falls outside the proposed mass and orbit that it will, perforce, be something else.
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More than likely you're correct.
I'll go with the "Subject to change" version of this - Anything proposed for now is certainly that and I for one woudn't be suprised at all if it does change with either more data or a direct sighting and tracking of an object.
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If I name my dog Abraham does that mean the ancient Israelites foresaw his existence?


man i nearly spilled my tea tongue.gif


@ topic: it's not surprising there are more objects far out. people should just cut that doomsday babble.
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