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I currently have a 3x2GB kit of MGH-E ICs (DDR3 2000 @ CL8.8.8.21, tRFC 60) Link to kit. I recently bought a Crucial Balistix 2x8Gb kit that'll do 2000MHz @ cl8.8.8.21 tRFC 208, but the secondary timings are enough to notice the difference with gaming. Even with IBT "Very High" load the difference in GFlops is .4 GFlops (91.4 to 91.8) at the same speed and timings: but different tRFC timings. Also tested with MaxxMEM2 and the overall NS difference was 52.2 to 46.0 for a total of 6.2ns difference. Is there any current kit being sold that is comparable to the kit I bought back in 2009 with it's MGH-E ICs??? Looking for a backup kit
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You might be able to achieve those timings with the Samsung RAM, but I don't think there are any higher capacity kits out there that can run tRFC that low.
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You might be able to achieve those timings with the Samsung RAM, but I don't think there are any higher capacity kits out there that can run tRFC that low.

Is it the High Capacity that dictates the tRFC number? I could care less about high capacity.
     
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I haven't gone through RAM like some other people on here, but from reading around and from my own experience the higher capacity kits, at least for DDR3, have high tRFC timings.

You'll probably get better answers asking in the RAM addict club.
http://www.overclock.net/t/1268061/ocn-ram-addict-club-gallery/0_20
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TRFC depends on the ram chip and ram design.
Genrally saying if your ram is designed to run at trfc 208 you will need to be running at 208 or higher values to run at stock speeds.

This applies to high speed ram 2000+MHZ,
same ram with lower MHZ operating like 1333 1600 you may be able to overclock this timing

If you want to push your MHZ, then you will need a ram that is unlocked, which means with losser timings and correct timings it will push more MHZ. Some ram like Tidrent X 2400 CL10 8GBx2 they are locked and no matter what timings you give it and what voltages it will not operate past 2500MHZ

http://www.overclock.net/t/1536669/perfect-ram-timing-rule-posting-resuts-of-using-the-rule-is-appreciated
Go through the perfect ram timing rules I made. It may be helpfull.

I'd suggest you to run timings on stock. and bluntly increacing voltage and lowering CL. Easier and faster.
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TRFC depends on the ram chip and ram design.
Genrally saying if your ram is designed to run at trfc 208 you will need to be running at 208 or higher values to run at stock speeds.

This applies to high speed ram 2000+MHZ,
same ram with lower MHZ operating like 1333 1600 you may be able to overclock this timing

If you want to push your MHZ, then you will need a ram that is unlocked, which means with losser timings and correct timings it will push more MHZ. Some ram like Tidrent X 2400 CL10 8GBx2 they are locked and no matter what timings you give it and what voltages it will not operate past 2500MHZ

http://www.overclock.net/t/1536669/perfect-ram-timing-rule-posting-resuts-of-using-the-rule-is-appreciated
Go through the perfect ram timing rules I made. It may be helpfull.

I'd suggest you to run timings on stock. and bluntly increacing voltage and lowering CL. Easier and faster.


Thanks, I will take a look! Does RAM timing rules change with Chip-sets? I'm still on X58 running triple channel.
     
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Thanks, I will take a look! Does RAM timing rules change with Chip-sets? I'm still on X58 running triple channel.
Not it dosen't.

The ram timing rule applies to every single ram on the market.
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What are the biggest factors with Memory/RAM that influence performance on an X58 system? If Timings what timings, primary only, secondary, etc? MHz speed? Is X58 limited to 2000MHz, if not how far can it go?
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What are the biggest factors with Memory/RAM that influence performance on an X58 system? If Timings what timings, primary only, secondary, etc? MHz speed? Is X58 limited to 2000MHz, if not how far can it go?

If you don't want to mess around and waste allot of time overclocking, I recomending running ram stock and bluntly overvoltage and decreace cl.

If you like looking at big numbers more MHZ then you'll need to follow the rule and overclock the ram slowly.
Use memtest to check for errors.

Theres no gaurantee for overclocking.
It'll depend on the chip. Some rams are locked and will refuse to overclock MHZ even with correct and losse timings
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