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I was under the impression that below 14nm Heisenberg's uncertainty principle kicks in and you won't know where any given electron will be at any given point in time, causing some crazy errors/leakage? Any super smart dudes with expensive degrees wanna chime in?

I'm no physicist but from what I know the only thing slowing us down is the exponentially increasing difficulty of manufacturing chips on such a small lithography, plus the crazy amount of R&D funds accompanying it. One thing I learned in university is that thoroughly testing manufactured chips is not considered an option in the industry. The models used for testing are the most basic ones so you must have a somewhat reliable manufacturing process to get acceptable yields. That's why new technology becomes more and more expensive.
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I see Intel has a fetish with -lake names.


they went from wells to lakes though

 

And bridges.

   
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post #23 of 71
What would Intel use after Silicon? And when would we see optical chips? That's a quite a bit more important than if Intel would manufacture 7 nm.
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And bridges.

Bridges, and wells, and lakes oh my!
Question is what name is after -lake?
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Bridges, and wells, and lakes oh my!
Question is what name is after -lake?

Creek.
Bay.
Brook.
Channel.
Basin.
Gulf.
Lagoon.
Loch.

So many choices :-o
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post #26 of 71
Tigerlake

Their commercial should be like "Buy the newest i7, codename tigerlake and release the tiger in your system! rawr!


That will be interesting. There is plenty of time for Intel to get 7nm ready but it might get delayed even more. Especially 5nm..
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post #27 of 71
14nm will be the new 32nm for GPU's. I'd imagine we'll be stuck on 14/16nm for quite some time in the GPU department also.
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The sad part is they will keep changing the socket even when its not really needed rolleyes.gif  
  • LGA-1155. Bclk changed dramatically vs LGA-1156. 100MHz instead of 133MHz, and also controls more components such as the chipset. Additionally, the DMI link is based on a newer version of PCIe.
  • LGA-1150. Added the FIVR, an integrated voltage regulator. Power delivery not necessarily backwards-compatible.
  • LGA-1151. FIVR removed. DDR4 support needed. DMI link updated again with a new revision. Bclk changed so it only affects the CPU, GPU, and IMC clocks.

"But AMD has no issues with backwards compatibility!" This is true, but it tells us nothing. By today's standards, AM3+ is an archaic design. The northbridge is a separate die on the motherboard - that's what the 990FX and 970 labels refer to - rather than integrated on the CPU like LGA-1156, LGA-2011, and FM2 (possibly FM1 as well?) and newer. Since most of the I/O is there in the northbridge, AMD just needs some kind of link for the CPU to communicate with it. In this case, that is the very old HyperTransport standard. Other requirements are that AM2 and AM2+ CPUs need DDR2 slots, and AM3+ CPUs need DDR3 slots. Since the pin counts didn't change, it's not really a big deal, and I must assume the memory bus is located in the same place in the socket for all architectures.

On the other hand, Intel is going for a more and more integrated approach (as is AMD, but their server/enthusiast platform hasn't been updated in a very long time). That means socket changes to improve, add, or remove connections. If a single PCIe lane is added to the CPU, then it needs a revised socket so it can actually link up somewhere. If a single pin is added to a memory slot, then it needs to link up somewhere. That means a new or revised socket.

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I was under the impression that below 14nm Heisenberg's uncertainty principle kicks in and you won't know where any given electron will be at any given point in time, causing some crazy errors/leakage? Any super smart dudes with expensive degrees wanna chime in?

The uncertainty principle always applies, but it's not really relevant to semiconductor design. Quantum tunnelling is the bigger issue. If a gate is closed and an electron can not pass through, then, provided the other side of the gate has a favorable energy, there is a chance that the electron can "jump" through it despite a barrier being in the way. It would be like a ball spontaneously rolling up a hill and down the other side, as long as the other side had a lower altitude. Sounds completely ridiculous in classical physics, but it's an important effect in quantum mechanics and its applications.
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