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Those damn bribes, making AMD use last decade's arch to compete with INTEL thinking this is 1993 tongue.gif!
5 years of such practices turned the tables for Intel, from 50/50 they went 60/40 and that gave them big edge. They gained huge momentum, AMD failed with the FX processors, and as such they weren't able to slow down them.
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post #52 of 71
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5 years of such practices turned the tables for Intel, from 50/50 they went 60/40 and that gave them big edge. They gained huge momentum, AMD failed with the FX processors, and as such they weren't able to slow down them.


Momentum was not gained from shady practices, it was gained from 'shock and awe' when Conroe and every other chip coming out would push the limits of CPU R&D to lengths AMD did not even fathom. E6600 was the hangman for AMD and not shady practices. Could you please list some of these shady practices since Conroe? What has INTEL done to prevent AMD from developing a solid chip?

Do me this favour and go down memory lane to a time where Netburst was being developed and AMD was the king with their FX processors. What pricing did AMD have on their chips? If you do not recall, I can tell you that I paid for my FX 52 890 pounds.


AMD should change their NASDAQ sign to 'VIKTM' because they are holly and pure compared to everyone else. They get bullied and they care about consumers. They are not in the business to make money.
 
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post #53 of 71
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Momentum was not gained from shady practices, it was gained from 'shock and awe' when Conroe and every other chip coming out would push the limits of CPU R&D to lengths AMD did not even fathom. E6600 was the hangman for AMD and not shady practices. Could you please list some of these shady practices since Conroe? What has INTEL done to prevent AMD from developing a solid chip?

Do me this favour and go down memory lane to a time where Netburst was being developed and AMD was the king with their FX processors. What pricing did AMD have on their chips? If you do not recall, I can tell you that I paid for my FX 52 890 pounds.


AMD should change their NASDAQ sign to 'VIKTM' because they are holly and pure compared to everyone else. They get bullied and they care about consumers. They are not in the business to make money.

I've had mixed thoughts about this. While (perhaps) momentum wasn't gained by Intel from shady practices directly, hindering AMD's sales may have had enough of an impact to hinder their R&D budget causing them to fall. On the flip side, I feel that even if Intel didn't do anything dirty, AMD still would have fell from their own mismanagement and inferior products that were late to the game.
post #54 of 71
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Those damn bribes, making AMD use last decade's arch to compete with INTEL thinking this is 1993 tongue.gif!

Pentium 4s were in a bunch of dell and hp workstations that had no business being there with what AMD had at the time.

If you worked in an office around then, and you wondered why the hell the entire company has crappy Pentium 4s in their computers, it's because Intel bribed the crap out of Dell and HP to only offer Intel chips to large corporate customers.
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Momentum was not gained from shady practices, it was gained from 'shock and awe' when Conroe and every other chip coming out would push the limits of CPU R&D to lengths AMD did not even fathom. E6600 was the hangman for AMD and not shady practices. Could you please list some of these shady practices since Conroe? What has INTEL done to prevent AMD from developing a solid chip?

That's a weird thing to say.

Exp. I bullied you from 2002 to 2007 (Intel antitrust/bribing retailers). At first you try to resist and get good grades (64bit - multicore etc.) but eventually you've become depressed and unable to finish high school. The best job you were able to get was horse manure paddler (2nd grade cpus). By your reasoning I can go "Hey man what did I ever do to you to make you fail? I wasn't bullying you in 2008 or later."

That's just wrong on so many levels.
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According to the settlement, Intel didn't admit to any wrongdoing, and neither did AMD.
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We should note that even with this settlement, neither AMD nor Intel are admitting to any wrongdoing. Intel is not admitting to engaging in any anti-competitive actions, and AMD is not admitting to breaking their existing x86 license by not producing the bulk of their CPUs in-house. In laymen’s terms, everyone is agreeing to be happy and to stop bludgeoning each other with lawsuits.

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The second concession to AMD is that Intel and AMD have come to an agreement on which business practices Intel is and isn’t allowed to engage in, which Intel will have to adhere to. This is a tricky thing, since as we stated before Intel hasn’t admitted to any wrongdoing, so we’re not quite sure what practices are in question. Intel claims that this won’t result in any changes for them, but we will hopefully have a better idea once the agreement is published by the Securities and Exchange Commission.

AMD also got to go fabless, and received $1.25 Billion cash. You guys need to let go of the past and move on with your lives, AMD agreed to those terms of the settlement. I don't hear them whining about it now, so, let it go.

Fact is, Conroe blindsided AMD, while they were too busy partying and patting themselves on the back on a job well done with the Athlon.
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Tigerlake

Their commercial should be like "Buy the newest i7, codename tigerlake and release the tiger in your system! rawr!


That will be interesting. There is plenty of time for Intel to get 7nm ready but it might get delayed even more. Especially 5nm..

But Intel isn't an angsty teenager in 2005 to do such a thing.
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That's a weird thing to say.

Exp. I bullied you from 2002 to 2007 (Intel antitrust/bribing retailers). At first you try to resist and get good grades (64bit - multicore etc.) but eventually you've become depressed and unable to finish high school. The best job you were able to get was horse manure paddler (2nd grade cpus). By your reasoning I can go "Hey man what did I ever do to you to make you fail? I wasn't bullying you in 2008 or later."

That's just wrong on so many levels.

I agree with this.
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According to the settlement, Intel didn't admit to any wrongdoing, and neither did AMD.


AMD also got to go fabless, and received $1.25 Billion cash. You guys need to let go of the past and move on with your lives, AMD agreed to those terms of the settlement. I don't hear them whining about it now, so, let it go.

Fact is, Conroe blindsided AMD, while they were too busy partying and patting themselves on the back on a job well done with the Athlon.

AMD agreed to this, since it wasn't really possible to prove Intel doing this, and that it was falling in a gray zone in terms of legality. This is for USA at least. In Europe Intel was forced to pay again AMD with another 1B$. But net results were still bad, they needed twice of those 2B$ they received to recover from the received damage.
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According to the settlement, Intel didn't admit to any wrongdoing, and neither did AMD.


AMD also got to go fabless, and received $1.25 Billion cash. You guys need to let go of the past and move on with your lives, AMD agreed to those terms of the settlement. I don't hear them whining about it now, so, let it go.

Fact is, Conroe blindsided AMD, while they were too busy partying and patting themselves on the back on a job well done with the Athlon.

Which settlement are you quoting?
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post #60 of 71
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I agree with this.
AMD agreed to this, since it wasn't really possible to prove Intel doing this, and that it was falling in a gray zone in terms of legality. This is for USA at least. In Europe Intel was forced to pay again AMD with another 1B$. But net results were still bad, they needed twice of those 2B$ they received to recover from the received damage.

Don't get me wrong, I think they should've gotten WAY more for sure. But my point is that AMD AGREED to the settlement. If their hands weren't caught in the cookie jar as well, things could've gone differently for them. ( I'm referring to the GloFo spinoff, which took away a lot of their leverage )
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Which settlement are you quoting?

http://www.anandtech.com/show/2873
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