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You can defer for up to a year. If you aren't patching your OS in that period of time, you are asking for an issue.

i have a dont fix if not broken policy as i know when you try to fix something that isnt broken it becomes broken. it has proven to be correct thus far

 

You must not use computers very often then.

 

I don't think I have ever used any piece of software that isn't, to some degree, broken in any sense.

   
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Are people missing that this is insider build.. no where near a public release. By the time that come around, who knows what it'll have. Yes, I agree people on the inside "lane" are beta testers but that's what they want(ed), I haven't seen a public release break anything nor are driver updates forced on me; I have a driver from 2008 for an old device working just fine.

What you are missing is that Win 10 is still in beta phase, with changes being constantly made, which is why Win 10 SP1 was a totally new reinstall of Win 10. Now buyers of Windows are doing what those thousands of employees should be doing that were laid off by MSpy.

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i have a dont fix if not broken policy as i know when you try to fix something that isnt broken it becomes broken. it has proven to be correct thus far

The problem with this logic, is that the majority of the patches are fixing security issues that you aren't going to encounter as a user. These are all behind-the-scene things that are going on. So while you don't think it is "broke", in reality it really is.

There isn't a scenario in the home world, or office environment (high level IT/Application specific situations not counted) where you would defer an update, especially security, for more than a year.

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What you are missing is that Win 10 is still in beta phase, with changes being constantly made, which is why Win 10 SP1 was a totally new reinstall of Win 10. Now buyers of Windows are doing what those thousands of employees should be doing that were laid off by MSpy.

Win 10 is not in Beta, stop it....

Even if it was, it is the best damn beta I have ran into in a long time!

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i have a dont fix if not broken policy as i know when you try to fix something that isnt broken it becomes broken. it has proven to be correct thus far

You must not use computers very often then.

I don't think I have ever used any piece of software that isn't, to some degree, broken in any sense.

LOL WHAT? I'm glad I wasn't drinking coffee or I would have spit it out all over my laptop.

Anyone who has used a computer for a great length of time knows, if it's working fine, don't mess with stuff. Don't upgrade your bios or firmware unless it fixes an issue you're actually having. Don't update your drivers unless it's something like your vid card but only do so when you have absolutely no choice or just have to support a game coming out. Newer doesn't necessarily mean better.

And I'm not talking about security patches or updates to your browser, obviously.
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i have a dont fix if not broken policy as i know when you try to fix something that isnt broken it becomes broken. it has proven to be correct thus far

The problem with this logic, is that the majority of the patches are fixing security issues that you aren't going to encounter as a user. These are all behind-the-scene things that are going on. So while you don't think it is "broke", in reality it really is.

There isn't a scenario in the home world, or office environment (high level IT/Application specific situations not counted) where you would defer an update, especially security, for more than a year.

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What you are missing is that Win 10 is still in beta phase, with changes being constantly made, which is why Win 10 SP1 was a totally new reinstall of Win 10. Now buyers of Windows are doing what those thousands of employees should be doing that were laid off by MSpy.

Win 10 is not in Beta, stop it....

Even if it was, it is the best damn beta I have ran into in a long time!

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That sentence I put in bold can be read both ways. In many cases the security patches fix attack vectors that require local access and thus many home users don't strictly need them asap and can perfectly wait to see if it breaks something.

A little summarised history of botched Windows updates over the years for those interested:

http://www.computerworld.com/article/2889672/20-epic-microsoft-windows-automatic-update-meltdowns.html


As to Windows 10 being in Beta stage, according to Microsoft it's obviously not, but the de facto quality of the software and all around it most definitely feels like it.

Examples:

  • A 300 MB (1 GB decompressed) day 1 patch, much like games nowadays;
  • The November update had to be pulled for a few days because it reverted your privacy settings;
  • That same update uninstalled programs and only told you afterwards;
  • Only with the update above did people finally get back something that Windows has had for the past 20+ years, the option to chose colours for title bars;
  • It was also only with the November update that they fixed some of the touch regressions compared to Windows 8.1;
  • Edge still doesn't have support for extensions;
  • Some of the developers are complaining that they can't find their own apps in the Store;
  • The other derivatives, Mobile 10 and Server 2016, aren't ready, the former was delayed again to February and the latter is in public Beta testing with a Q3 2016 release schedule.

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What you are missing is that Win 10 is still in beta phase, with changes being constantly made, which is why Win 10 SP1 was a totally new reinstall of Win 10. Now buyers of Windows are doing what those thousands of employees should be doing that were laid off by MSpy.

hmm, as a long term win10 user I'm just going to go out and say you have no idea as you're not using it, let me guess it's because it spies on you. I didn't miss anything, it's not in "beta phase", that's just a joke. It's as stable or more as win8.1 was which was a vast improvement on 8.0 which itself was an improvement on win7. Of course people who hate change won't see it that way. We don't use Metro or whatever it's called and we don't use windows app store etc etc. It's still all the same with faster ways of doing things.

Please don't reply with spying stuff to this, only reply if you can somehow show win10 is in beta.
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What you are missing is that Win 10 is still in beta phase, with changes being constantly made, which is why Win 10 SP1 was a totally new reinstall of Win 10. Now buyers of Windows are doing what those thousands of employees should be doing that were laid off by MSpy.

hmm, as a long term win10 user I'm just going to go out and say you have no idea as you're not using it, let me guess it's because it spies on you. I didn't miss anything, it's not in "beta phase", that's just a joke. It's as stable or more as win8.1 was which was a vast improvement on 8.0 which itself was an improvement on win7. Of course people who hate change won't see it that way. We don't use Metro or whatever it's called and we don't use windows app store etc etc. It's still all the same with faster ways of doing things.

Please don't reply with spying stuff to this, only reply if you can somehow show win10 is in beta.
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LOL you have a choice? updates gets pushed, at best you can temporally defer it unless you have enterprise edition
Actually yes i do,it's called not being on the insider program. Wohoo! rolleyes.gif
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LOL WHAT? I'm glad I wasn't drinking coffee or I would have spit it out all over my laptop.

Anyone who has used a computer for a great length of time knows, if it's working fine, don't mess with stuff. Don't upgrade your bios or firmware unless it fixes an issue you're actually having. Don't update your drivers unless it's something like your vid card but only do so when you have absolutely no choice or just have to support a game coming out. Newer doesn't necessarily mean better.

And I'm not talking about security patches or updates to your browser, obviously.

 

You carry on not patching your software :)

 

I actually like having the most secure release of what I run, and I like having support when I need it. Guess what will happen if you call the developer for the software you run and say X program has Y issue?

Yep, you guessed right. 'Are you running the latest updates?'

   
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You carry on not patching your software smile.gif

I actually like having the most secure release of what I run, and I like having support when I need it. Guess what will happen if you call the developer for the software you run and say X program has Y issue?


Yep, you guessed right. 'Are you running the latest updates?'

Typically the first question is can you recreate the issue?

Calling the developer directly as a consumer doesn't seem common practice to me anyways, and any IT support should know not to ask questions were it makes the consumer liable as it only creates more problems
    
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