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I doubt it is nearly as sinister as it comes across as being. The fact of the matter is, as the video points out, it would take several months to optimize Kepler cards for things like HBAO+ That's a ton of money and time to spend on a product that is generating exactly zero revenue. The intent is to provide better quality lighting and such to games, not to intentionally gimp older cards, that's just an unfortunate byproduct. Which is better, lesser quality max lighting and other effects for the newer gpu architecture, or doing nothing so older cards don't perform as bad on max settings.

Now the stuff to intentionally nerf AMD cards I wouldn't doubt one bit, but can neither confirm or deny. Simply saying Nvidia isn't intentionally nerfing their older cards, they just aren't dumping a fortune into their older obsolete architectures to give them new features. That's just smart business.

No, this is a great way to get people to accept what's happening and get them to upgrade, considering pascal may be here soon.
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No, this is a great way to get people to accept what's happening and get them to upgrade, considering pascal may be here soon.

I'm not defending the dumpster fire that is gameworks. I can't stand it.

If I'm understanding the FO4 stuff correctly, the game initially launched without HBAO+ and a few other things that were instituted in patch 1.3. Benchmarks run with HBAO+ and such enabled show a huge drop to Kepler cards and a small drop for Maxwell cards, however, by simply turning these gameworks settings back down to the level they were at on release (I'm guessing SSAO) on patch 1.3 the cards return to their previous levels of performance. Basically a higher tier of gameworks settings were introduced and old cards don't like the higher tier as much as newer cards. That about correct?

Based on my experience with gameworks I can conclude that it is developed by two migrant workers paid a pack of marlboro reds and a 12 pack of keystone light. The fact that those two only optimize the stuff they add on to a game for the newest architecture shouldn't come as any surprise and I don't think Pedro and Juan have any deep, dark agenda to nerf Kepler and Maxwell.
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I'm not defending the dumpster fire that is gameworks. I can't stand it.

If I'm understanding the FO4 stuff correctly, the game initially launched without HBAO+ and a few other things that were instituted in patch 1.3. Benchmarks run with HBAO+ and such enabled show a huge drop to Kepler cards and a small drop for Maxwell cards, however, by simply turning these gameworks settings back down to the level they were at on release (I'm guessing SSAO) on patch 1.3 the cards return to their previous levels of performance. Basically a higher tier of gameworks settings were introduced and old cards don't like the higher tier as much as newer cards. That about correct?

Based on my experience with gameworks I can conclude that it is developed by two migrant workers paid a pack of marlboro reds and a 12 pack of keystone light. The fact that those two only optimize the stuff they add on to a game for the newest architecture shouldn't come as any surprise and I don't think Pedro and Juan have any deep, dark agenda to nerf Kepler and Maxwell.

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Poor poor Juan and Pedro
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IMHO that's not the way to be.

Wait until both have the same category cards. Then look at the benchmarks and games. Compare compare compare.
The last time guys said "wait for both cards to drop, wait for benches, then decide, yada, yada.." the guys that said that went on to buy the card that was slower, at about the same price..the moral of the story is, guys are going to buy what they want, regardless of performance, if they are dedicated to whatever Company...me, I am dedicated to performance ...smile.gif
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basically AMD driver team need to work a little more harder to get around Nvidia's tricks.

So far the b4 crimson driver, they effort are always a let down(which was the main reason I went for 750Ti as a stop gap card, also a reason why I prefer to follow new architecture than buy a large Nvidia GPU. Many mid end GPU > 1 large one)
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Long video, but loved every single second of it.

Great video. Thanks for posting.
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Really, I'm not so sure gameworks is bad for gaming overall if it's just an extra option. Maxwell cards do have some things that they are alot better at than kepler, but nobody will ever see that if the only graphics options we have are limited to the lowest common denominator. I'm all for having the higher quality options present even if my 780ti sucks at rendering them.. as long as it's optional.
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Really, I'm not so sure gameworks is bad for gaming overall if it's just an extra option. Maxwell cards do have some things that they are alot better at than kepler, but nobody will ever see that if the only graphics options we have are limited to the lowest common denominator. I'm all for having the higher quality options present even if my 780ti sucks at rendering them.. as long as it's optional.

For sure, it's just that every gameworks deal like HBAO+, Hairworks, and Godrays are all destroyers of performance. With all settings on max, the hair on Geralts head shouldn't be consuming 30% of my GPU processing budget. A good ENB will have superior lighting to HBAO+ and have less of a performance hit on any architecture gpu. I believe ENB can out Godray Gameworks as well, so it's not like it's impossible to get quality for minimal performance as ENB profiles show us, it's just that Pedro and Juan don't speak english so they can't understand the actual coders and devs when they explain to them how to improve the performance on these gameworks effects.
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For sure, it's just that every gameworks deal like HBAO+, Hairworks, and Godrays are all destroyers of performance. With all settings on max, the hair on Geralts head shouldn't be consuming 30% of my GPU processing budget. A good ENB will have superior lighting to HBAO+ and have less of a performance hit on any architecture gpu. I believe ENB can out Godray Gameworks as well, so it's not like it's impossible to get quality for minimal performance as ENB profiles show us, it's just that Pedro and Juan don't speak english so they can't understand the actual coders and devs when they explain to them how to improve the performance on these gameworks effects.

Some of the biggest improvements with Maxwell were a huge jump in tessellation performance and added lighting capabilities, I think they've just made something to take advantage of that because devs just don't have the time for it.

AMD's fury cards were supposed to have way more computing power, I wish they had something like this to actually make some use of it.
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Some of the biggest improvements with Maxwell were a huge jump in tessellation performance and added lighting capabilities, I think they've just made something to take advantage of that because devs just don't have the time for it.

AMD's fury cards were supposed to have way more computing power, I wish they had something like this to actually make some use of it.

The 30% of the total processing budget for Geralts Hair is using Maxwell cards. Hairworks set to max in W3 and SLI Titan-X GPU's overclocked to 1500mhz, drops to 40 fps. Turned off, is a steady 60 fps. The story is the same for every gameworks effect, as HBAO+ drops 10 fps over HBAO in AC:Syndicate, and Godrays turned up to ultra costs you around 20 fps. This is all on a 4k 60hz monitor with a O/C'ed Titan-X cards.

And like I said, I can use an ENB on FO4 that looks better than the lighting from HBAO+ and have higher overall FPS than no ENB and HBAO+ on.
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