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With a decent water cooling loop, 4.6 isn't that tough to hit on a 5960X at all. The Crossfire Fury-X and the 295x2 numbers simply show that crossfire isn't supported in Fallout 4 at this time and that whomever ran the benchmarks didn't bother with using AFR.

the 290X and 295x2 do NOT perform identically on a single core situation, I have both and have used both. The 290X gives a higher number.
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Pascal is just Maxwell die shrink with HBM + compute improvement, certainly not a bigger change than kepler to maxwell. Heck, Pascal didn't even exist a couple of years back.

The next big change will be Volta.

As to how well the 1070 will perform, let's see what clockspeeds nvidia can wring out of 16nm FF+.

I disagree. It's the gonna biggest change since Nvidia's been in business. Just HBM alone. As it brings big bandwidth. Bigger than Nvidia has ever had.


So you have new silicon 16nm, and a new vram delivery method. It will the most powerful video processor, on the planet.
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I disagree. It's the gonna biggest change since Nvidia's been in business. Just HBM alone. As it brings big bandwidth. Bigger than Nvidia has ever had.


So you have new silicon 16nm, and a new vram delivery method. It will the most powerful video processor, on the planet.
lol, still?
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If GP100 will be 50% faster than GP200 than all those 980Ti owners will be super ashamed, dishonored and highly insulted by back-stabbing company and their new MUCH FASTER product released almost not even a year later. Now, that would be unprecedented scandal smile.gif

Not really. I would just wait for Pascal Ti.

Besides I came off a 7970GHZ which is crap now. My 980Ti blows it out the water. So I already got my moneys worth.
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If GP100 will be 50% faster than GP200 than all those 980Ti owners will be super ashamed, dishonored and highly insulted by back-stabbing company and their new MUCH FASTER product released almost not even a year later. Now, that would be unprecedented scandal smile.gif

Not really. I would just wait for Pascal Ti.

Besides I came off a 7970GHZ which is crap now. My 980Ti blows it out the water. So I already got my moneys worth.

Agree just because the latest greatest GPU comes out doesn't mean older cards suddenly go slower. Some people just have to have the top dog funny that. I might get a GTX 980 when the price drops.
Really you probably only need Pascal for 4K.
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Agree just because the latest greatest GPU comes out doesn't mean older cards suddenly go slower. Some people just have to have the top dog funny that. I might get a GTX 980 when the price drops.
Really you probably only need Pascal for 4K.

Exactly, its all about the games. Can you maintain at least 50-60fps @ Ultra? If so no need to upgrade. My 7970GHZ was netting 25-30 FPS @ Ultra in newer games, so I upgraded.
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Agree just because the latest greatest GPU comes out doesn't mean older cards suddenly go slower. Some people just have to have the top dog funny that. I might get a GTX 980 when the price drops. Really you probably only need Pascal for 4K.

Ask the poor Kepler card owners. They will have a different opinion. Once Pascal launches Nvidia will screw its Maxwell card owners especially with that Gimpworks program biggrin.gif
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Ask the poor Kepler card owners. They will have a different opinion. Once Pascal launches Nvidia will screw its Maxwell card owners especially with that Gimpworks program biggrin.gif

Well technically Kepler didnt lose any performance, we just didnt get included so much in the game optimizations. Although it did suck that it happened in the games literally the week after Maxwell was released. I looked into it quite a bit at the time with numbers from TPU's bench suite in games released before and after Maxwell, the reference 970 was 10% ahead of the 780 in older games and 20% in the newer ones with a roughly even split between games released before and after. Apparently they've done something about it, but its hard to tell. We are talking about 5-10% performance tweaking here, and theyre not breaking their necks getting Kepler cards up to date for the newest games going by what I've seen recently. That's not to say theyre unsupported at all.

It would also though be fair to wonder with AMD's more limited resources, and with the time between their driver releases as it is. How are all the GCN cards going to fair after Polaris' release? Can they afford to support 2 archictectures fully if Nvidia cant?
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Exactly, its all about the games. Can you maintain at least 50-60fps @ Ultra? If so no need to upgrade. My 7970GHZ was netting 25-30 FPS @ Ultra in newer games, so I upgraded.
Depends on the resolution. I now play most games in 2560 to 3840 downsampled on a 1080 screen (hate jaggies). Upgrading the monitor would probably have me getting new cards too, depending on what performance they can manage... Two Pascal Titans wouldn't be too bad smile.gif
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Well technically Kepler didnt lose any performance, we just didnt get included so much in the game optimizations. Although it did suck that it happened in the games literally the week after Maxwell was released. I looked into it quite a bit at the time with numbers from TPU's bench suite in games released before and after Maxwell, the reference 970 was 10% ahead of the 780 in older games and 20% in the newer ones with a roughly even split between games released before and after. Apparently they've done something about it, but its hard to tell. We are talking about 5-10% performance tweaking here, and theyre not breaking their necks getting Kepler cards up to date for the newest games going by what I've seen recently. That's not to say theyre unsupported at all.

It would also though be fair to wonder with AMD's more limited resources, and with the time between their driver releases as it is. How are all the GCN cards going to fair after Polaris' release? Can they afford to support 2 archictectures fully if Nvidia cant?

I wouldn't say nVidia "can't", more like they have 0 financial incentive to do so, and thus "won't".

If AMD pulled a miracle and solved their DX11 CPU overhead issue overnight, and made 290X on par with 980 at every resolution (but especially 1080p), you bet your ass nVidia will scramble night and day to tweak the last iota of performance out of Maxwell AND Kepler.
Edited by magnek - 2/8/16 at 12:19pm
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