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Someone with your post count should be more educated about what Mantle did.

Unless you mean that Mantle failed to remain a proprietary AMD benefit, in which case yeah, I see your point.

Im talking failure based on the amount of games that implemented it. Mantle is obviously better than DX11 as far as APIs are concerned. But if you can't convince people to switch over then it will fail. Which is why I am not getting my hopes up with Vulkan.
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You're only arguing my point. GPU manufacturers shouldn't need to bribe Devs to use stuff like Mantle/Gameworks. If it helps their game perform/look better they should WANT to use it.

Yeah, but what Dev is going to turn down free money? We know Gameworks sucks, the Devs know Gameworks sucks. However it's still being implemented in many of the popular games. Why? $$$$$$$.


Put yourself in the shoes of the Devs. Game development costs millions and if Nvidia going to pay us money AND help support the API implementation, then we will use whatever API they want.

That's how it works. Doesn't matter if the other product is better. Don't think for a second that DAI and BF devs implemented Mantle out of the kindness of their hearts or because it was better. AMD paid them $$$$.
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You could say that even now. Look at these pictures to spot the difference.biggrin.gifguess which is which (Click to show)

Top is Nvidia with Hairworks; Bottom is AMD without Hairworks.
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would you say Fury X is superior to 980Ti if it manages to beat in in 2017?
whaaat biggrin.gif

The largest thing that is limiting the FIJI GPUs is their VRAM, they have cutting edge memory, however only 4GB of it.

Unless the memory management of HBM is vastly different to the memory management of GDDR5, it's 4GB framebuffer is going to prevent it from being as future-proof as the 7970 and the 290X, both cards had more VRAM than their competitors, however these aren't the only things which helped them surpass their competitors.

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Almost too funny reading "R9 290" and "GTX 780" and superior in the same sentence.

Its 2016 ffs. Move on and stop discussing ancient and outdated GPUs

Why does it matter how old the cards are? If the 290 is performing better than it, why should anyone sweep it under the rug?

They're also far from ancient.

Are you going to say the same thing if the Fury X ends up performing better than the 980 Ti?
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AMD is a bad idea. Mantle is a huge fail. I was all aboard the Mantle Train and the performance gains. Then nobody was using it except DAI and BF Why? Because Nvidia PAYS $$$ for games to use Gameworks. AMD is broke and can't afford the bribes. If AMD forked over the Moolah for devs to implement Mantle into their games then it would be worth it. Therefore we are stuck with Gameworks. Why GIMP yourself with an AMD card during the Gameworks Era?

You seem to be forgetting that AMD isn't in as good as a financial situation as NVIDIA is.

Adding an additional API to an engine or a game also increases development time and the resources needed to development the game or the engine.

The support of an API can also be quite dependent on being implemented for a game engine as-well, as it would be quite a task for the developers of each game to implement support for the API themselves, hence the reason why most of the Frostbite games released around the rise of the API used Mantle.
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About AMD vs Nvidia, it's sad but true, but compare both is like compare Coyote (AMD) and Road Tunner (Nvidia): the first one is much more fun and everyone cheer for him, but he is always behind the second and looks like will never catch it.
Edited by svictorcc - 2/8/16 at 4:58pm
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meh, I would rather have turtle that wins the race in the long run and has staying power rather than the rabbit that sprints well for 6-12 months and then peters out.... on a separate note, I have had great experience dealing with members on the market place ( as some of my Titans were bought from good folks here), my gripes are only with NV's mode of doing business.....
Haven't decided what I am going to do with my Titans, other than retiring them to my own moloseum of NV cards... Lol (I have never sold any of cards or hardware, so don't think I am gonna change that trend now), once I get the Fury Nitro which is supposed to come in sometime later this week. Then, I plan to use the Fury card until the big Polaris is released, at which point I will re-do my sth10 build.....
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Top is AMD with PureHair; Bottom is Nvidia without PureHair working.
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Actually the top pic is how it looks for me with Hairworks turned on.
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meh, I would rather have turtle that wins the race in the long run and has staying power rather than the rabbit that sprints well for 6-12 months and then peters out


Except the turtle is so slow they are in danger of getting a DNF.
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Actually the top pic is how it looks for me with Hairworks turned on.
Not sure what you mean by that. Could you be more specific? -What game? -Which reference?
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Yep, I remember those early days in your thread.... lol. And have to give you credit for bringing those issues to light.
I think after the initial stink about Witcher3 and Nvidia throwing a bone to single card Kepler users, noting else has happened in terms of optimizations in newer games for Kepler. I typically wouldn't care about this, it's only gaming crying out loud... Lol. But, I do believe that AMD cards have held up much better than the Kepler cards, and this difference in performance, or lack thereof in Kepler's case, is particularly more acute given the cost of the top end Nvidia Kepler cards that pretty much suck now compared to the much cheaper amd cards.

Have you seen this video? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O7fA_JC_R5s its not just AMD users that get shafted with Gameworks...

TLDR: Yes NVidia is gimping its older cards... FO4 is a prime example...
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meh, I would rather have turtle that wins the race in the long run and has staying power rather than the rabbit that sprints well for 6-12 months and then peters out.... on a separate note, I have had great experience dealing with members on the market place ( as some of my Titans were bought from good folks here), my gripes are only with NV's mode of doing business.....
Haven't decided what I am going to do with my Titans, other than retiring them to my own moloseum of NV cards... Lol (I have never sold any of cards or hardware, so don't think I am gonna change that trend now), once I get the Fury Nitro which is supposed to come in sometime later this week. Then, I plan to use the Fury card until the big Polaris is released, at which point I will re-do my sth10 build.....

To be honest, I am hanging in there with my OG Titans til the bitter end! Considering the fact that I missed the window to unload them at decent pricing I figure the best way to try and limit the damage incurred by my considerable investment in them back in March 2013 is to just run them absolutely as long as they remain viable. Its already coming up on 3 years they have served me and they are still more than enough for every single game out there at my resolution (1440p). If I can squeeze a couple more years out of them and get to a total of 5-6 years use then i will consider the original $2k spent on them as at least an okay investment (certainly the 780Ti's would have been even better financially but the 3GB memory would be a problem with some games at 1440p)...
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