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nvidia's main goal is selling more. this is no news, and as a 980Ti user I accept it and I'm not even a little mad. those who are have an alternative in AMD. I've been on AMD before nvidia, and I'm not going back soon. Not with Pascal/Polaris for sure, maybe later.
amd fans want the company to give them a card that will be relevant for 5 years and gain performance with time, then complain the chances aren't even because nvidia has more R&D money.
Edited by Klocek001 - 2/9/16 at 8:14am
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Of course everyone knew that Maxwell is more efficient than Kepler, but the progressive degradation of 780 Ti and GK 110 Titan can not be explained away by “Maxwell is just better at compute processing than Kepler”, based on actual arch differences, mathematically speaking. In any event, since I have moved on from Nvidia and will not buy another product again that has Nvidia’s fingerprints all over it, even if it means moving to consoles permanently ( I have been playing some games on Xbone for an hour or two on the weekends over the last few months, and quite frankly, the entertainment gratification for me is not all that different from playing on the PC, if not more, with fewer hardware headaches… Lol, and I will be trying Rise of the tomb raider as soon as I have some spare time) . But, I think this guy captured Nvidia customers’ sentiment quite well. Although this is a bit dated as it relates to W3 ( and Nvidia threw a bone to these,based on my understanding, as I haven't touched w3 or any other new games with gimpworks since last year’s w3 issues. But, will try a couple with Fury nitro, time permitting) , the issues with lack of driver optimizations still remain (and I didn't write this as neither have the time nor do I care as much to write a lengthy complaint….I just move on to the next vendor)

https://forums.geforce.com/default/topic/834132/maxwell-v-kepler-it-will-affect-nvidia-900-series-card-users-sooner-rather-than-later/
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“Please allow me to copy and paste the text from one of the more popular threads, as it clearly outlines the various reasons Kepler users believe NVIDIA has essentially stopped supporting Kepler:

NVIDIA, this is very concerning.

I have spent my hard earned savings on your cards since I was 10 years old - RIVA TNT, RIVA TNT 2, GeForce 2 GTS, GeForce 7800 GT, GeForce 9800 GTX, GeForce 9800 GX2, GeForce GTX 480 (SLI), GeForce GTX 680, and most recently the GeForce GTX 780 ti.

In November of 2013, you introduced a new premium card for gaming - the NVIDIA GeForce GTX 780 ti. This card lacked the float point precision power of the NVIDIA GeForce GTX TITAN released in February of 2013, but it was the most powerful single-card solution with respect to video processing available at that time. As a loyal PC gaming enthusiast, I was intrigued by the new class of card. The $750.00 price tag was large, but not entirely unreasonable.

What is entirely unreasonable is the oversight, for lack of a better word, that has occurred with the release of the NVIDIA WHQL "Game Ready" Driver 352.86 and its support for the Kepler architecture buried at the foundation of the NVIDIA GeForce GTX 780 ti (and other 700 series cards). I will stop short of the accusations contained within this thread, which state that NVIDIA has crippled the performance of Kepler-based cards with the past few driver releases.

Optimization of a PC game is a responsibility shared by both the game developer and the video card manufacturer. However, there is little-to-no excuse for the performance found when one with a Kepler-based NVIDIA card starts up the newly released The Witcher 3.

My PC specs: Intel i5-3570k @ 4.4GHz, NVIDIA GeForce GTX 780 ti, Samsung 840 Pro 256GB SSD, G.Skill Ripjaw 1600MHz 8GB memory, and ACER XB270HU 2560 x 1440 G-Sync IPS monitor.

At 2560 x 1440 resolution with settings at LOW, NVIDIA Hair Works OFF, and minimal post-processing affects; REGARDLESS of the display driver (352.86, 350.12, 347.88, or 347.52), the Witcher 3 fails to achieve 50 frames per second. Yes, LOW.

Meanwhile, the NVIDIA GeForce GTX 970, a $350.00 card (a card that literally costs $400.00 less - you could buy two of them for the price of the GTX 780 ti adjusting for inflation over the course of one short year), can run at upwards of 45 frames per second (albeit at 1920 x 1080) resolution on ULTRA settings? I understand the impact on performance that higher resolution has, but the GTX 780 ti (and TITAN for that matter) were your enthusiast-premium cards. This performance is unacceptable, even if it is merely the result of an oversight in "Game Ready" driver support.

I will not petulantly presume NVIDIA has conspired against Kepler to make Maxwell more appealing and indignantly declare my future video card purchases promised to AMD; however, this situation has caused me to rethink my future enthusiast-performance purchases. Will I continue to buy the enthusiast-premium cards if NVIDIA fails to competently support them at the launch of blockbuster, highly anticipated triple-A games barely over a year into the card's life span while, in the meantime, NVIDIA's latest generation performs capably?

Why purchase an NVIDIA GTX TITAN X when competent drivers cannot be provided to the loyal, enthusiast NVIDIA consumer? The market for your ultra-enthusiast and enthusiast-performance cards will thin out quickly if this issue is not resolved AND explained.
Maxwell Card Owners, please join with your fellow NVIDIA Enthusiasts and take this threat to gaming seriously, even if it does not currently affect your games. It inevitably will.”


first, sure the geforce forums have plenty of complainers that wouldn't know how to install a driver if their life depended on it. when all that happened with TW3 i was running a 780ti myself and found most all the issues these same complainers had were highly overblown.

ooohhhmmmmyyggerrrddd! a new $350 card is keeping up or beating my 2 years old $700 card!

FOUL! rolleyes.gif

in the meantime TPU's benches were showing a progression in kepler's performance when a new GPU review came out with newer drivers. this has been hashed though over and over on this very forum. but yes, GCN performance increase were very substantial and deserves a tip of the hat to AMD's drivers team.

and to quite frank, if you have a complaint fine - but posting a copy/paste of a copy/paste is just bad form. redface.gif
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cause the only relevant source of information for some amd fans are other amd fans.
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now now now folks only see what they think/want they should:
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first, sure the geforce forums have plenty of complainers that wouldn't know how to install a driver if their life depended on it. when all that happened with TW3 i was running a 780ti myself and found most all the issues these same complainers had were highly overblown.

ooohhhmmmmyyggerrrddd! a new $350 card is keeping up or beating my 2 years old $700 card!

FOUL! rolleyes.gif

in the meantime TPU's benches were showing a progression in kepler's performance when a new GPU review came out with newer drivers. this has been hashed though over and over on this very forum. but yes, GCN performance increase were very substantial and deserves a tip of the hat to AMD's drivers team.

and to quite frank, if you have a complaint fine - but posting a copy/paste of a copy/paste is just bad form. redface.gif

There is actually less than a year difference of age between the 780Ti and the 970. Also, the Titan Black only came out 7 months before the 970 and suffers the same fate (driver wise) as the 780Ti. wink.gif
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The only way one could argue 2X perf/watt over previous gen on the same node while keeping a straight face, is to actively cripple the perf/watt of previous gen... simples.
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There is actually less than a year difference of age between the 780Ti and the 970. Also, the Titan Black only came out 7 months before the 970 and suffers the same fate (driver wise) as the 780Ti. wink.gif

i stand corrected. the 2 years is the 780.

thank you sir. thumb.gif

but obviously i have a hard time with this . . . "driver fate" stuff.

i remember similar with fermi - kepler; it wasn't optimizations but OCing fermi was kibosh for awhile. then that "killer" driver came out when NV lifted that. tongue.gif
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780Ti at 1150Mhz Core isn't an good OC?
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now now now folks only see what they think/want they should:

That 780 Ti is a Matrix Platinum model, which has a clock-speed of 1050MHz and happens to be around 10% faster than the stock model.
This is a pretty solid overclock out of the box.

Just thought I'd add to it, I don't know what to think of the supposed "gimping" of Kepler.
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780Ti at 1150Mhz Core isn't an good OC?

Not the best, but the 780Ti I tested did only 1100. 1150 would have been even better.

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That 780 Ti is a Matrix Platinum model, which has a clock-speed of 1050MHz and happens to be around 10% faster than the stock model.

Just thought I'd add to it, I don't know what to think of the supposed "gimping" of Kepler.

Not gimping so much as not spending time optimizing for Kepler.
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