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yes the 290x has made some strides:

GTX 780 Ti vs R9 290X; The Rematch

and it's a tip of the hat to AMD.

however lets take off the blinders and look at the big(ger) picture. AMD only had GCN arch for the last ~3+ years with VLIW previously. in the same time period NV had the last of fermi, kepler and now maxwell.

a few months ago AMD push VLIW to legacy while NV added WDDM 2 support to fermi for DX12.

so even though NV is still supporting a FIVE YEAR OLD arch - people are going to criticize them for not optimizing all arches as well as the newest?

i hope they don't get run over by a unicorn.

The first GCN iteration was lanched to compete against the first Kepler iteration. VLIW4 is the one that compete against Fermi.
The support of DX12 in the Fermi family is only marketing, that cards can't keep up, nor in raw power nor in arch design.
And yes, we criticize Nvidia because AMD with limited resources keeps giving performance to the 7970 and the 680 is forgotten giving a derisory performance.
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That's because neither nv, nor AMD are really working with the developers and soliciting their feedback about the effects of shaders being used

The article clearly said otherwise. Most devs simply ignored the suggestions. If it runs well enough, why bother. Also, buy faster hardware!
post #303 of 724
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Originally Posted by looniam View Post

yes the 290x has made some strides:

GTX 780 Ti vs R9 290X; The Rematch

and it's a tip of the hat to AMD.

however lets take off the blinders and look at the big(ger) picture. AMD only had GCN arch for the last ~3+ years with VLIW previously. in the same time period NV had the last of fermi, kepler and now maxwell.

a few months ago AMD push VLIW to legacy while NV added WDDM 2 support to fermi for DX12.

so even though NV is still supporting a FIVE YEAR OLD arch - people are going to criticize them for not optimizing all arches as well as the newest?

i hope they don't get run over by a unicorn.

VLIW is older than you can imagine. GCN is much older than you state. HD 7k series is 4 years old as of last January 9th.

The big issue is that even though NVidia releases newer drivers the drivers packaged for older GPUs 3 years old, are not being worked on. I've read about a lot of games like Witcher 3 not working NV 400 series because the driver was still fundamentally older than the other drivers packaged with it. They just make sure you get the latest NVidia control center. Even if it supports WDDM 2.0 it's not a massive achievement.
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Originally Posted by looniam View Post

yes the 290x has made some strides:

GTX 780 Ti vs R9 290X; The Rematch

and it's a tip of the hat to AMD.

however lets take off the blinders and look at the big(ger) picture. AMD only had GCN arch for the last ~3+ years with VLIW previously. in the same time period NV had the last of fermi, kepler and now maxwell.

a few months ago AMD push VLIW to legacy while NV added WDDM 2 support to fermi for DX12.

so even though NV is still supporting a FIVE YEAR OLD arch - people are going to criticize them for not optimizing all arches as well as the newest?

i hope they don't get run over by a unicorn.

For sure.
hardwarecanucks just want to make GTX 780Ti look good. And thats ALL. There is now way that GTX 780Ti only 5-10% slower than GTX 980. While R9 390X is basically as fast as GTX 980.

In other hand R9 290X = R9 390.
I just hope they didnt use stock R9 290X in that test.

And here is Duderandom84 performance test
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-scxy-7qtMY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YEtJHG27P0E
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bhXGyd3vs9E
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAc7phqSdms
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y4D8qgDpFNc
- Dont tell that tessellation is the problem.. R9 280X is doing just fine against R9 380X.
- GTX 780Ti with 1150MHz core clock.

https://www.techpowerup.com/gpudb/2512/geforce-gtx-780-ti.html
So at least GTX 780Ti with actually great overclock isnt matching GTX 980... and hardwarecanucks says that GTX 780Ti is only 10% behind GTX 980.
Edited by Themisseble - 2/11/16 at 9:45am
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For sure.
hardwarecanucks just want to make GTX 780Ti look good. And thats ALL. There is now way that GTX 780Ti only 5-10% slower than GTX 980. While R9 390X is basically as fast as GTX 980.

In other hand R9 290X = R9 390. Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
I just hope they didnt use stock R9 290X in that test.

And here is Duderandom84 performance test
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-scxy-7qtMY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YEtJHG27P0E
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bhXGyd3vs9E
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAc7phqSdms
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y4D8qgDpFNc
- Dont tell that tessellation is the problem.. R9 280X is doing just fine against R9 380X.
- GTX 780Ti with 1150MHz core clock.

https://www.techpowerup.com/gpudb/2512/geforce-gtx-780-ti.html
So at least GTX 780Ti with actually great overclock isnt matching GTX 980... and hardwarecanucks says that GTX 780Ti is only 10% behind GTX 980.

oh? no way?

15 games same resolution as HC's and ~6 months later . .


95/103= 92% so that would be 8% thumb.gif
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Nope. Thats not against GTX 980 its against GTX 780TI... I can see GTX 780Ti loosing.
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i'm not shuffling the deck like you.
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i'm not shuffling the deck like you.

Wait a second.
Hardwarecanucks shows GTX 780TI faster than r9 290X, but slower than GTX 980. TPU is showing GTX 780TI slower than GTX 980 and R9 290X. So what were you talking about?
I have linked you few videos which were made by "duderandom84". Check them out.

GTX 780 is highly overclocked, but it never reach GTX 980 performance...
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Hardwarecanucks shows GTX 780TI faster than r9 290X, but slower than GTX 980. TPU is showing GTX 780TI slower than GTX 980 and R9 290X. So what were you talking about?
I have linked you few videos which were made by "duderandom84". Check them out.

GTX 780 is highly overclocked, but it never reach GTX 980 performance...

i know DudeRandom84's videos. a guy is always dropping them in the 980TI owners thread. but i looked at your reference about the 980 to 780TI performance difference.

when it comes to AMD; i have no problems admitting what use to be behind in performance is now leading. the problem i have is folks using that as proof than NV is gimping previous gens.

that is, in my view, a slap in the face of AMD's driver team.

and that's coming from a green underwear wearing, physX loving NV fan boy.
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i know DudeRandom84's videos. a guy is always dropping them in the 980TI owners thread. but i looked at your reference about the 980 to 780TI performance difference.

when it comes to AMD; i have no problems admitting what use to be behind in performance is now leading. the problem i have is folks using that as proof than NV is gimping previous gens.

that is, in my view, a slap in the face of AMD's driver team.

and that's coming from a green underwear wearing, physX loving NV fan boy.

this, AMD's driver team improving their drivers very well.
and rather than NV "gimping", they've more like hit a bottleneck in any further improvements.

e.g. Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
0months initial release:
NV 700 series = 100%
NV 900 series = 100%
AMD R9 series = 100%

6months later:
NV 700 series = 100%
NV 900 series = 105%
AMD R9 series = 110%

12months later:
NV 700 series = 100%
NV 900 series = 110%
AMD R9 series = 120%

rather the point here is that, NV 700 series have hit the absolute bottleneck, while NV 900 series driver improvement are slow.
BUT, i'd like to bring up one thing that is highly likely, that is NV's initial release drivers were extremely good to begin with, so improvements are actually hard to come by.
on the other hand, AMD's initial release drivers are probably poorly done, which is why their initial release is holding back AMD's GPU architecture.
Edited by epic1337 - 2/11/16 at 11:06am
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