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Never say never. Nvidia may change, AMD may change. Who knows what the future holds?

The situation reminds me of a conversation I had with a mechanic. He was saying how the Mercedes from the mid '70s to early '80s were bulletproof. Nothing ever needed replacing and they'd go to 500,000 miles no problem. But the shareholders didn't like that and started telling the engineers to make parts that didn't last as long and that would need replacing more frequently to increase profits.

It worked for the car industry, Nvidia is just following the same strategy, which they should as a profit maximizing entity. That strategy might alienate some customers, but overall it seems Nvidia has made the determination that it's the right strategy in the current environment.

The intentional gimping by Nvidia of their products has been brought up many times in this forum. What's funny is that some users in some of the threads that is mentioned in even go as far as to say that they don't really care if Nvidia is doing so because by the time the gimping starts, they would have purchased Nvidia's newest cards anyway. LOL

With customers like that, Nvidia is not going to change their strategy anytime soon.

If AMD could get that kind of user base, I am sure they would start doing the same thing! tongue.gif
Edited by criminal - 2/23/16 at 10:46am
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Provost is no AMD fanboy. He simply grew dissatisfied with the treatment he received after investing heavily in Nvidia products over the 28nm product cycle and I can certainly understand his frustration. I love my titans to this day but it's obvious that Nvidia has long since ditched us in their quest to push older cards out the door and it's hard to argue for them when you see older and cheaper AMD cards like the 7970 even now starting to reach comparable performance to our once $1000 video cards. Perhaps Kepler really is maxed out and it's really not their fault but the perception is bad regardless...

Agreed. Provost's reasoning is well thought out and I support his conclusion.
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The intentional gimping by Nvidia of their products has been brought up many times in this forum. What's funny is that some users in some of the threads that is mentioned in even go as far as to say that they don't really care if Nvidia is doing so because by the time the gimping starts, they would have purchased Nvidia's newest cards anyway. LOL

With customers like that, Nvidia is not going to change their strategy anytime soon.

If AMD could get that kind of user base, I am sure they would start doing the same thing! tongue.gif

You don't think there are AMD/Radeon users who buy the new gen cards every generation? I buy a new graphics card every generation, I would do the same if I was buying AMD cards, I just happen to buy Nvidia cards for the most part.
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You don't think there are AMD/Radeon users who buy the new gen cards every generation? I buy a new graphics card every generation, I would do the same if I was buying AMD cards, I just happen to buy Nvidia cards for the most part.

I have no issue with anyone upgrading every generation. Heck, I have upgraded from one generation to the next. But not caring that a company does dishonest things just because it doesn't affect you is a silly way to think.

Just for clarification, I am not claiming Nvidia is gimping. Just saying that some users won't/don't care if it happens.
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FreeSync is just as proprietary as G-Sync.

No it's not. FreeSync is just a marketing term for its implementation of the VESA standard Adaptive Sync. nVidia's strategy makes short term sense, but as soon as they don't have top-to-bottom performance dominance people looking to upgrade will go AMD and at that point they likely won't ever buy back into nVidia's closed ecosystem. nVidia will be forced to implement the industry standard to attempt to regain any lost market share and all those engineering dollars will have been wasted.
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Originally Posted by criminal View Post

The intentional gimping by Nvidia of their products has been brought up many times in this forum. What's funny is that some users in some of the threads that is mentioned in even go as far as to say that they don't really care if Nvidia is doing so because by the time the gimping starts, they would have purchased Nvidia's newest cards anyway. The fastest card available from whichever company makes it LOL

With customers like that, Nvidia is not going to change their strategy anytime soon.

If AMD could get that kind of user base, I am sure they would start doing the same thing! tongue.gif

Small correction but important one, all AMD has to do is release a Polaris GPU that's competitive with the Pascal leaked benchmarks before Pascal is released and 75% of those fanboys will jump ship.
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What fun it would be if nv overpriced their cards to such an extent that not even enthusiasts would buy them and they'd drop into serious image (or even financial) difficulties.

I'm sure AMD is just waiting for this to happen.
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No it's not. FreeSync is just a marketing term for its implementation of the VESA standard Adaptive Sync. nVidia's strategy makes short term sense, but as soon as they don't have top-to-bottom performance dominance people looking to upgrade will go AMD and at that point they likely won't ever buy back into nVidia's closed ecosystem. nVidia will be forced to implement the industry standard to attempt to regain any lost market share and all those engineering dollars will have been wasted.

Agree.

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Small correction but important one, all AMD has to do is release a Polaris GPU that's competitive with the Pascal leaked benchmarks before Pascal is released and 75% of those fanboys will jump ship.

That's what I am waiting for! Well I am going Polaris no matter what as long as it is a worthwhile upgrade over this 980.
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Agree.
That's what I am waiting for! Well I am going Polaris no matter what as long as it is a worthwhile upgrade over this 980.

Why are you already set? Do you know something that we don't ? biggrin.gif
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Why are you already set? Do you know something that we don't ? biggrin.gif

LOL... just been wanting to go AMD again for awhile. Had money ready for Fury and it was underwhelming to say least. mad.gif
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