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FWIW, magnek has an indisputable point; there were folks that made a purchase that wouldn't had if nvidia was been forth coming in the 970's vram configuration.

as niche as it is, there were a number of SLI purchases looking toward gaming at 4K. i specifically recall one forum member who just went on and on about how smart it was comparing it to 980s, 66% of the cost for ~10% performance difference, to the point that personally it was irritating. then they got them with a nice new fancy 4K monitor - which was also a cost - and BOOM! reality hit.

now that member left to go voice their displeasure on another forum with a bunch of fraps graphs, but they definitely looked at their wallet being ~$1400 lighter (cards and screen) w/o knowing the full facts of the matter. so it was very reasonable for them to be upset. however, i'll admit to having a schadenfruede moment for that person.

generally, for a single user it may not have been an issue, but really there were some folks that rightfully saw red.
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FWIW, magnek has an indisputable point; there were folks that made a purchase that wouldn't had if nvidia was been forth coming in the 970's vram configuration.

as niche as it is, there were a number of SLI purchases looking toward gaming at 4K. i specifically recall one forum member who just went on and on about how smart it was comparing it to 980s, 66% of the cost for ~10% performance difference, to the point that personally it was irritating. then they got them with a nice new fancy 4K monitor - which was also a cost - and BOOM! reality hit.

now that member left to go voice their displeasure on another forum with a bunch of fraps graphs, but they definitely looked at their wallet being ~$1400 lighter (cards and screen) w/o knowing the full facts of the matter. so it was very reasonable for them to be upset. however, i'll admit to having a schadenfruede moment for that person.

generally, for a single user it may not have been an issue, but really there were some folks that rightfully saw red.
yep, it was a stuttery mess on 2k for me( can't imagine 4k lol). even on gimpworks titles with sli support.
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FWIW, magnek has an indisputable point; there were folks that made a purchase that wouldn't had if nvidia was been forth coming in the 970's vram configuration.

as niche as it is, there were a number of SLI purchases looking toward gaming at 4K. i specifically recall one forum member who just went on and on about how smart it was comparing it to 980s, 66% of the cost for ~10% performance difference, to the point that personally it was irritating. then they got them with a nice new fancy 4K monitor - which was also a cost - and BOOM! reality hit.

now that member left to go voice their displeasure on another forum with a bunch of fraps graphs, but they definitely looked at their wallet being ~$1400 lighter (cards and screen) w/o knowing the full facts of the matter. so it was very reasonable for them to be upset. however, i'll admit to having a schadenfruede moment for that person.

generally, for a single user it may not have been an issue, but really there were some folks that rightfully saw red.

That member was GoldenTiger I believe, and yeah the salt was real, but as someone who also bought two 970s, I sympathize.

For me, the BOOM moment came literally the day after I put those two 970s under water (~$330 in total for waterblocks), so it pissed me off a lot more than it would have otherwise.
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That member was GoldenTiger I believe, and yeah the salt was real, but as someone who also bought two 970s, I sympathize.

For me, the BOOM moment came literally the day after I put those two 970s under water (~$330 in total for waterblocks), so it pissed me off a lot more than it would have otherwise.
It was definitely GoldenTiger. I felt pretty bad for him actually; he didn't defend what Nvidia did or anything like that, which I found surprising. He was very honest about his performance issues on that other forum and seemed a lot less pro-Nvidia than I thought he was.

The boom moment for me came when I heard about the rumor in early January or so and tested it out after realizing my SLI 970s never did seem to go past ~3600 MBs of VRAM allocation.

I believe I was one of the first people posting results about the issue in the big thread we had on it here. Modded Skyrim, Space Engine, Shadows of Mordor, AC: Unity etc. all showed the allocation cap and performance became stuttery and erratic when trying to go past 3.5 GBs (textures and AA did the trick).

Of course, all results were contested pretty vehemently early on and even after it became a known fact, that thread was filled with denial and excuses for why people who plopped down their hard-earned cash shouldn't care (in a derogatory tone). Still around to this day, apparently.

Nvidia refused to take responsibility, some retailers dragged their feet, and even fellow consumers sat there dismissing valid claims of deceiptful sales. In the middle of it were relatively helpless consumers who deserved truthful specifications and got derision instead... as if the whole mess was just another chess piece in some grand PR mudslinging fest.
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the full dx12 slide is funny too thumb.gif what do you say about this?


Picture doesn't claim full DX12 support. It clearly says every nvidia DX11 card will support DX12.
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Picture doesn't claim full DX12 support. It clearly says every nvidia DX11 card will support DX12.
Directx 12 has nothing to do with Nvidia, though. It is standardization of DirectCompute a.k.a. ATi StreamComputing.
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That member was GoldenTiger I believe, and yeah the salt was real, but as someone who also bought two 970s, I sympathize.

For me, the BOOM moment came literally the day after I put those two 970s under water (~$330 in total for waterblocks), so it pissed me off a lot more than it would have otherwise.

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It was definitely GoldenTiger. I felt pretty bad for him actually; he didn't defend what Nvidia did or anything like that, which I found surprising. He was very honest about his performance issues on that other forum and seemed a lot less pro-Nvidia than I thought he was.

The boom moment for me came when I heard about the rumor in early January or so and tested it out after realizing my SLI 970s never did seem to go past ~3600 MBs of VRAM allocation.

I believe I was one of the first people posting results about the issue in the big thread we had on it here. Modded Skyrim, Space Engine, Shadows of Mordor, AC: Unity etc. all showed the allocation cap and performance became stuttery and erratic when trying to go past 3.5 GBs (textures and AA did the trick).

Of course, all results were contested pretty vehemently early on and even after it became a known fact, that thread was filled with denial and excuses for why people who plopped down their hard-earned cash shouldn't care (in a derogatory tone). Still around to this day, apparently.

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And funnily enough, you both bought a 980Ti anyway. tongue.gif

And Goldtiger got exactly what he deserved. I don't feel bad for folks that bring that kind of karma on themselves...lol
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And funnily enough, you both bought a 980Ti anyway. tongue.gif

And Goldtiger got exactly what he deserved. I don't feel bad for folks that bring that kind of karma on themselves...lol

Tiger was the type of user who believed whatever he bought was the best. Didn't matter who made it.

Although if he decided to never go Nvidia again, who could really blame him.
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Tiger was the type of user who believed whatever he bought was the best. Didn't matter who made it.

Although if he decided to never go Nvidia again, who could really blame him.
Golden really has not been around OCN since the 970 fiasco, that guy burned a lot of bridges around here.
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And funnily enough, you both bought a 980Ti anyway. tongue.gif

And Goldtiger got exactly what he deserved. I don't feel bad for folks that bring that kind of karma on themselves...lol

I know, trust me it still hurts a bit to know I threw more money at nVidia redface.gif

Though I did my part and told everybody to wait for Fury X benchmarks before buying. After the really disappointing showing, I decided to just keep my 970 SLI setup until I could get a good deal on the 980 Ti, since I was pretty fed up with SLI at that point. Waited until October, and Tigerdirect started selling the MSi 980 Ti for $649 with free shipping. I had a $15 coupon with TD, and my bank further offered $50 cashback. That brought down the cost to $584, and no CA sales tax gouge to boot. Bought the 980 Ti, then promptly dumped the two 970s for $250 a piece. So total cost to upgrade was $84, which is as good as it gets me thinks.
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