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And funnily enough, you both bought a 980Ti anyway. tongue.gif
Only after angrily demanding and getting my money back from Newegg... and making sure the 980 Ti had no such memory problems.


I don't hold purchase-altering grudges against the logo on the box. My prioritiies were performance, performance in The Witcher 3, and obviously VRAM... so the choice was pretty clear-cut, unfortunately.
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And funnily enough, you both bought a 980Ti anyway. tongue.gif

And Goldtiger got exactly what he deserved. I don't feel bad for folks that bring that kind of karma on themselves...lol

Didn't GT take issue with the 780Ti as well when it released? Been a while ago...
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I know, trust me it still hurts a bit to know I threw more money at nVidia redface.gif

Though I did my part and told everybody to wait for Fury X benchmarks before buying. After the really disappointing showing, I decided to just keep my 970 SLI setup until I could get a good deal on the 980 Ti, since I was pretty fed up with SLI at that point. Waited until October, and Tigerdirect started selling the MSi 980 Ti for $649 with free shipping. I had a $15 coupon with TD, and my bank further offered $50 cashback. That brought down the cost to $584, and no CA sales tax gouge to boot. Bought the 980 Ti, then promptly dumped the two 970s for $250 a piece. So total cost to upgrade was $84, which is as good as it gets me thinks.

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Only after angrily demanding and getting my money back from Newegg... and making sure the 980 Ti had no such memory problems.


I don't hold purchase-altering grudges against the logo on the box. My prioritiies were performance, performance in The Witcher 3, and obviously VRAM... so the choice was pretty clear-cut, unfortunately.

Just picking at you guys. biggrin.gif The 980Ti was the best card to get once we knew how Fury X stacked up.

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Didn't GT take issue with the 780Ti as well when it released? Been a while ago...

Yes, I believe so.
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FWIW, magnek has an indisputable point; there were folks that made a purchase that wouldn't had if nvidia was been forth coming in the 970's vram configuration.

People say this a lot, but do you really think it would have happened that way? Let's say the spec sheet was right. What would the reviewers have done? Commented on it, and then benching it to see if it makes a difference. And then those benches would have been...exactly the same as they were in the reviews.

How many of you people claiming the legions of "duped" 970 buyers wouldn't have bought it had they Known The Truth actually expect people to make a decision point on a $330 card that scored incredibly highly on benchmarks against significantly higher-priced cards from AMD by ignoring said benchmarks, and going with an obscure memory number in the boring spec sheet almost everyone reading a review skims over?

Do you really believe that? Or are you looking back on the past with red-colored glasses?
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People say this a lot, but do you really think it would have happened that way? Let's say the spec sheet was right. What would the reviewers have done? Commented on it, and then benching it to see if it makes a difference. And then those benches would have been...exactly the same as they were in the reviews.

How many of you people claiming the legions of "duped" 970 buyers wouldn't have bought it had they Known The Truth actually expect people to make a decision point on a $330 card that scored incredibly highly on benchmarks against significantly higher-priced cards from AMD by ignoring said benchmarks, and going with an obscure memory number in the boring spec sheet almost everyone reading a review skims over?

Do you really believe that? Or are you looking back on the past with red-colored glasses?

yes i believe that at least a few reviewers would have pushed the 970 until any performance issues would have been uncovered. not all and likely not many but a few would have.

and for the record i have never owned an ATI/AMD gpu - GREEN 4 LIFE!

E: here you go - try the curiosity over the 550ti 192 bit bus:
GTX 550 Ti’s Quirk: 1GB Of VRAM On A 192-bit Bus
Edited by looniam - 2/29/16 at 11:16pm
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People say this a lot, but do you really think it would have happened that way? Let's say the spec sheet was right. What would the reviewers have done? Commented on it, and then benching it to see if it makes a difference. And then those benches would have been...exactly the same as they were in the reviews.

How many of you people claiming the legions of "duped" 970 buyers wouldn't have bought it had they Known The Truth actually expect people to make a decision point on a $330 card that scored incredibly highly on benchmarks against significantly higher-priced cards from AMD by ignoring said benchmarks, and going with an obscure memory number in the boring spec sheet almost everyone reading a review skims over?

Do you really believe that? Or are you looking back on the past with red-colored glasses?

It's funny because when I very specifically addressed the points you raised here in post #583, tajoh111 fired back and said my reasoning was faulty because
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You can't say I would have bought a 290x card instead at $299 if I was informed ahead of time of the memory issue when pricing could very well not be at the level it sunk to.

Basically implying the segmented memory, had it been made known at launch, might actually have impacted 970 sales more than people gave it credit for, and thus AMD would not have needed to slash the price as aggressively on the Hawaii GPUs in order to sell them. See it really rubs me the wrong way when it appears that either of the following two diametrically opposed stances

  1. So what if 970's memory configuration was known at launch, people would've still bought the 970 in droves, so the segmented memory wouldn't have changed a thing
  2. Sure people would've stayed away from the 970 and it wouldn't have sold as well, but that also means you'd never have seen those crazy firesale prices on the 290(X) GPUs, so it still changes nothing

could be taken depending on which is more convenient for arguing one's point and spinning the whole thing. rolleyes.gif

Anyway I addressed all his points as well, and the bottom line is no matter how you or he spins this, the fact remains that purchase decisions were made based on incomplete, untruthful data, and additional opportunity costs were incurred because of that.
Edited by magnek - 2/29/16 at 11:47pm
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Inb4 “people buy the best when they can, based on what they can afford (while leaving out the little fact about based on what has not been disclosed, so better they better do their own dd) , so buy, buy, buy” …. Lol

Let the healing begin by Nvidia not only issuing a mea culpa regarding the 970 fiasco, but by meaning it.. fire all unscrupulous, and brand damaging sales people …

Unless one does alter his or her purchases, one cannot sincerely expect a change in the seller’s behavior, and especially not by providing a further inducement to the seller to continue the behavior that offended the buyer in the first place….lol since it would indicate that the buyer is just pretending to be offended, at least this is how I would read it, if I were the seller…lol

Moreover, as I suspected, DX 12 will shake things up as to how GPU companies are used to pricing their products, based on whatever elementary school ecosystem milking scheme they may have in mind:
http://www.pcper.com/reviews/General-Tech/PC-Gaming-Shakeup-Ashes-Singularity-DX12-and-Microsoft-Store
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“It also means NVIDIA is in a tight spot with GeForce Experience – as of now I know of no way that NVIDIA could circumvent the Microsoft App Store system and get GFE to offer the same kind of experiences that it does today with PC games……..

Chances are that AMD would eat this up – they have continued to push FreeSync as the open standard for VRR and the company could benefit from being the only VRR technology support on MS app store games."

So, whichever company embraces the reality of DX 12 first, will be in a position to benefit from the next sales cycle. Of course, there are those who would like to live in an alternate universe where some delusional ecosystem of their own will flourish, however, the reality is that Windows 10’s adoption rate will only increase exponentially, and with it, the roll out of DX12 friendly pc games. MS has more money than Nvidia to throw at the developers (and more than AMD for that matter), so as a pc gamer today buying a card, would I be looking back to see what card would play better on yesterday’s platform, or rather what card would be beneficial for the current and future platform… the answer for me is pretty obvious…lol
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People say this a lot, but do you really think it would have happened that way? Let's say the spec sheet was right. What would the reviewers have done? Commented on it, and then benching it to see if it makes a difference. And then those benches would have been...exactly the same as they were in the reviews.

How many of you people claiming the legions of "duped" 970 buyers wouldn't have bought it had they Known The Truth actually expect people to make a decision point on a $330 card that scored incredibly highly on benchmarks against significantly higher-priced cards from AMD by ignoring said benchmarks, and going with an obscure memory number in the boring spec sheet almost everyone reading a review skims over?

Do you really believe that? Or are you looking back on the past with red-colored glasses?

They probably would have still sold 95% of what they did had they advertised it with 3.5 gb.

But that's not the point really.

The amount of bad publicity from it will come back to haunt them for awhile. Deservedly so.

You see it here every day. We have users that will promote one single benchmark showing Nvidia losing. We show them multiple other examples of the same benchmark that disprove that one. Yet, even with that proof smacking them in the face, they still plaster the old benchmark everywhere because it's what they want to believe. Fallout 4 1.3 Beta patch gamegpu anyone?

With the 3.5 gb fiasco, there isn't anything that can be disproved. It was a bad decision, period.

And there are no red glasses anywhere near me. If I lose faith in Nvidia, at my age, I most likely stop gaming. But I will be keeping an eye on what Raja does.
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They probably would have still sold 95% of what they did had they advertised it with 3.5 gb.

But that's not the point really.

The amount of bad publicity from it will come back to haunt them for awhile. Deservedly so.

You see it here every day. We have users that will promote one single benchmark showing Nvidia losing. We show them multiple other examples of the same benchmark that disprove that one. Yet, even with that proof smacking them in the face, they still plaster the old benchmark everywhere because it's what they want to believe. Fallout 4 1.3 Beta patch gamegpu anyone?

With the 3.5 gb fiasco, there isn't anything that can be disproved. It was a bad decision, period.

And there are no red glasses anywhere near me. If I lose faith in Nvidia, at my age, I most likely stop gaming. But I will be keeping an eye on what Raja does.

2016 will be the year the 970 will be praised as 720p gpu thumb.gif
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2016 will be the year the 970 will be praised as 720p gpu thumb.gif

Togther with Fury X because of lack of VRAM.
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