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Even Jesus had a dozen guys around him to help, which is probably a higher number than the quantity of high-quality employees that AMD has remaining on the CPU side.

Then again, even former tax collectors and fishermen would probably think that spending 3 years on the road is a more stable financial outlook than working at AMD considering the massive layoffs they've conducted over the past few years...
Ah yes, an AMD thread with a smattering of positive speculation is chum in the water for you; your insights have been missed as of late! rolleyes.gif
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I'm not expecting much. This is AMD we're talking about. Even if they launch the fastest CPU on the market with a better IPC then intel, they'll find a way to sabotage themselves. For example, their 4c/8t desktop cpu may be released at the $400 mark, the 6c12t at $600, and their 8c/16t at the $1000 mark. This is just how AMD rolls. They're price deaf to reality.

Of course even IF they're actually in touch with proper pricing (something i haven't seen from them in years) intel will find a way to bury the chip so thoroughly, apart from this community, no one in america will know these chips hit the market. It's just how it will roll out. If there is one thing intel learned from the antitrust trials, which it lost, is that the penalties and cost of antitrust/anti-competitive behavior is MORE THEN WORTH IT. They had their wrists slapped lightly. They'll just open the old bag of tricks, and do it again, like how they burred beema/mullans when beema/mullans was undeniably better then any atom or other low powered intel cpu on the market (they gave away free cpus until they magically produced a comparable product 6 months later)
 
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AMD is doing great and people should be buying them on the merit of an alternative big company.

They are not doing great, their current CPU offerings are atrocious, unless you are interested in buying super cheapo budget builds. Otherwise Intel's offerings across the board are far superior at every price point. Then on the GPU side the only products they have that are relevant are the 380, 380X, and 390 everything else is outperformed by NVIDIA or has a better overall value when overclocking is included in the potential of the product. I'm sure there will be people that will argue this concept, but this isn't "Stockclock.net" so I couldn't care less about default clockspeed benchmark comparisons regardless of resolution because it is meaningless when overclocking comes into play (eg. "buh the Fury X is 5% bettah than the 980 Ti at 4K brah").
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Amd has a good track record on anything but bulldozer, and we know why that is.

"Overclocker's Dream" ring a bell? rolleyes.gif
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If it does actually reach Haswell levels, I'd say it'll recapture maybe 5-10% of the desktop market, mostly from two sources.

1) "Moderate" AMD fans like myself who either bought Intel for a generation or two or have held off buying new CPUs since Vishera. Skylake's performance uplift over Haswell is within the margin of error for many applications and regresses in some areas, so unless Kaby Lake or Cannonlake bring huge improvements, being ~10-15% behind in IPC isn't a huge liability, especially if priced appropriately. It'll be like the Core 2/Nehalem vs. Phenom II days.

2) Zen-based APUs, while coming a bit later, may also be a nice play for HTPCs and all-in-ones that casual consumers make use of. However, AMD may be screwed over by OEMs and Intel's rebates like they usually are.
Being backed into a corner brings focus. I think there's an understanding throughout the organization right now that it's either produce or perish. Lisa Su's an engineer instead of a marketing guy like RR was, and she's made pretty good decisions so far: narrowing the strategic focus, splitting off RTG, granting the Zen teams more autonomy in design, so forth.

Skylake has shown to have a 10% increase in IPC clock for clock over Haswell, and 11% in Multi-threaded performance:





Kaby Lake is only going to be a refresh of Skylake, therefore it will only bring higher clockspeeds like we saw from the 4770k to 4790k (6700k to 6790k). However, regarding stock benchmarks and overclocking this could increase the percentage difference even further. Then of course Cannonlake will bring another 10% increase in IPC on top of that. This means, the only strategy AMD can have is offering more cores for less money compared to Intel's offerings (and again at Haswell levels of IPC). This game plan can without a doubt in my mind help them retake some of the market back, I project even more than 5-10% if this is actually what happens.

I only see Zen-based APUs being a saving grace, if they are reintroduced in the mobile market, since as it stands today, that market is currently dominated by Intel and Intel's on-die graphics are getting quite impressive.
Edited by BiG StroOnZ - 1/23/16 at 9:22pm
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Zen+ is my route !

Until then, my Vishera will handle the job. I know Intel is faster, but i´m good with FX.

App´s/games are getting more and more multi thread.

This makes FX chips age quite well, in my opinion/use.

For sure.

Hell, Tiger had the FX-8320 for $89 the other day (as they clear house). Talk about a deal of the decade! Zen has me pretty damn excited, I can't wait to get it and play with it!!
    
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You have something else going on, then. I've managed farms of computers running on many platforms (both Intel and AMD) and there hasn't been a definable data corruption issue on any platform for the last decade, maybe a bit more (XP was new the last time I remember a chipset driver causing corruption - and it was on an AMD platform, but a 3rd party chipset).
Maybe he just used Seagate biggrin.gif
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Maybe he just used Seagate biggrin.gif

That WOULD explain it. I have no idea how many dead Seagate drives I have laying around right now from other peoples' computers. I noticed Toshiba was very underrepresented and started using them when I can - so far no failures whistle.gif
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Maybe he just used Seagate biggrin.gif

That WOULD explain it. I have no idea how many dead Seagate drives I have laying around right now from other peoples' computers. I noticed Toshiba was very underrepresented and started using them when I can - so far no failures whistle.gif

Seagate, bought a 1tb a few years back and boom failed corupted several things in my other drives, pulled it out... no issues
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Maybe he just used Seagate biggrin.gif

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That WOULD explain it. I have no idea how many dead Seagate drives I have laying around right now from other peoples' computers. I noticed Toshiba was very underrepresented and started using them when I can - so far no failures whistle.gif

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Seagate, bought a 1tb a few years back and boom failed corupted several things in my other drives, pulled it out... no issues

Can't say I can get behind the Seagate hate on OCN. I just haven't had issues, at least not more than any other HDD manufacturer.

Curious; did you all do complete Read/Write tests on the drives before using them? Not just with Seagates, but HDDs in general.
    
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Maybe he just used Seagate biggrin.gif

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That WOULD explain it. I have no idea how many dead Seagate drives I have laying around right now from other peoples' computers. I noticed Toshiba was very underrepresented and started using them when I can - so far no failures whistle.gif

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Seagate, bought a 1tb a few years back and boom failed corupted several things in my other drives, pulled it out... no issues

Can't say I can get behind the Seagate hate on OCN. I just haven't had issues, at least not more than any other HDD manufacturer.

Curious; did you all do complete Read/Write tests on the drives before using them? Not just with Seagates, but HDDs in general.

Well for me all of the failures i have had in the past 5 years has been 5 seagates 3 of which where clients 1 was an external and then my own apl failed mechanically within a year of manufacture.. 1 toshiba fail however that lasted 3 years before it failed.. that was also mechanical..

I thought my hitachi hdd was bad before the seagate, however after troubleshooting the drive configuration i removed the seagate and no issues

Put it back in after my update to win 10 and started getting data coruption and had to repair both hdds, took out the hitachi and a week later it did the same thing

After i removed the seagate repaired the hitachi all has been fine.. 3 months running now.

Seagate drive now has a tick.. sure i am not saying all seagates, just i havent had good luck with them prior i used to use them all the time no issue. Western digitals give me a 5% failure in different applications and depending on the drive type. Seagate for me has been 40% failures..

Hitachi im not a fan of but it was cheap and keeps ticking.
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Skylake has shown to have a 10% increase in IPC clock for clock over Haswell, and 11% in Multi-threaded performance:


Cine is a best-case scenario for Skylake over Haswell. By averaging a bunch of benches, Anand only found about a 5-6% improvement, and 7zip/3DPM single thread had performance regressions.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/9483/intel-skylake-review-6700k-6600k-ddr4-ddr3-ipc-6th-generation/9

I don't think Kaby's gonna be 10% over Sky, nor do I think Cannon's gonna be 10% over Kaby. Even if Intel does manage to pull those numbers, Cannonlake will only be ahead of Zen by about 25%.

And that's pretty much how far ahead of Phenom II Nehalem was, no?
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