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Well for me all of the failures i have had in the past 5 years has been 5 seagates 3 of which where clients 1 was an external and then my own apl failed mechanically within a year of manufacture.. 1 toshiba fail however that lasted 3 years before it failed.. that was also mechanical..

I thought my hitachi hdd was bad before the seagate, however after troubleshooting the drive configuration i removed the seagate and no issues

Put it back in after my update to win 10 and started getting data coruption and had to repair both hdds, took out the hitachi and a week later it did the same thing

After i removed the seagate repaired the hitachi all has been fine.. 3 months running now.

Seagate drive now has a tick.. sure i am not saying all seagates, just i havent had good luck with them prior i used to use them all the time no issue. Western digitals give me a 5% failure in different applications and depending on the drive type. Seagate for me has been 40% failures..

Hitachi im not a fan of but it was cheap and keeps ticking.

Seagate is heat sensitive. Toshiba and Western Digital are rarely influenced by heat. You can get away with stacking them where as Seagate is a huge nope.
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They are not doing great, their current CPU offerings are atrocious, unless you are interested in buying super cheapo budget builds. Otherwise Intel's offerings across the board are far superior at every price point. Then on the GPU side the only products they have that are relevant are the 380, 380X, and 390 everything else is outperformed by NVIDIA or has a better overall value when overclocking is included in the potential of the product. I'm sure there will be people that will argue this concept, but this isn't "Stockclock.net" so I couldn't care less about default clockspeed benchmark comparisons regardless of resolution because it is meaningless when overclocking comes into play (eg. "buh the Fury X is 5% bettah than the 980 Ti at 4K brah").
"Overclocker's Dream" ring a bell? rolleyes.gif
Skylake has shown to have a 10% increase in IPC clock for clock over Haswell, and 11% in Multi-threaded performance:

If they left Fury and Fury X at it's original clock it would've been. I really hate that dude who said it. However with all the cards dealt to AMD and where it stands financially it's standing firm. There are many niche products that are perfect for most consumers.
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I'm so rooting for AMD... I believe they may have a chance to catch up, since Intel's roadmap is looking slow.
Kaby Lake by Q4 2016, which is supposed to slightly increase IPC, but definitely won't bring a huge improvement over skylake.
And then Cannonlake maybe by Q3 2017 bringing a die shrink, which was supposed to happen in 2016, but it won't...
So they have a nice chance here. And we really need that kind of competition.
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For how much $ would you expect ZEN quad core?
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Okay. I'll believe it when I see it.

sadly thats not how beliefs work.
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Seagate, bought a 1tb a few years back and boom failed corupted several things in my other drives, pulled it out... no issues

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Well for me all of the failures i have had in the past 5 years has been 5 seagates 3 of which where clients 1 was an external and then my own apl failed mechanically within a year of manufacture.. 1 toshiba fail however that lasted 3 years before it failed.. that was also mechanical..

I thought my hitachi hdd was bad before the seagate, however after troubleshooting the drive configuration i removed the seagate and no issues

Put it back in after my update to win 10 and started getting data coruption and had to repair both hdds, took out the hitachi and a week later it did the same thing

After i removed the seagate repaired the hitachi all has been fine.. 3 months running now.

Seagate drive now has a tick.. sure i am not saying all seagates, just i havent had good luck with them prior i used to use them all the time no issue. Western digitals give me a 5% failure in different applications and depending on the drive type. Seagate for me has been 40% failures..

Hitachi im not a fan of but it was cheap and keeps ticking.
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I have not had any luck with the seagates that were made in China. Malaysia made are ok though. Hitachi have been best for me. Maybe it will rub off on western digital since they bought the Hitachi hard drive part of the company
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Zen+ is my route !

Until then, my Vishera will handle the job. I know Intel is faster, but i´m good with FX.

App´s/games are getting more and more multi thread.

This makes FX chips age quite well, in my opinion/use.

For sure.

Hell, Tiger had the FX-8320 for $89 the other day (as they clear house). Talk about a deal of the decade! Zen has me pretty damn excited, I can't wait to get it and play with it!!
Well, this is nice and dandy. You call yourself HC AMD fans and like to support the company by buying their products. But even then expect to pay only budget prices on everything that company produces. No wonder that company will ever be profitable even with proper good products. Even the only supporters go Intel if the products are not delivered with zero margin.

I would gladly pay Intel prices on next AMD products if they are good, have features I need and can deliver them on time. I'm not gaming with roadmaps.
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Zen+ is my route !

Until then, my Vishera will handle the job. I know Intel is faster, but i´m good with FX.

App´s/games are getting more and more multi thread.

This makes FX chips age quite well, in my opinion/use.

For sure.

Hell, Tiger had the FX-8320 for $89 the other day (as they clear house). Talk about a deal of the decade! Zen has me pretty damn excited, I can't wait to get it and play with it!!
Well, this is nice and dandy. You call yourself HC AMD fans and like to support the company by buying their products. But even then expect to pay only budget prices on everything that company produces. No wonder that company will ever be profitable even with proper good products. Even the only supporters go Intel if the products are not delivered with zero margin.

I would gladly pay Intel prices on next AMD products if they are good, have features I need and can deliver them on time. I'm not gaming with roadmaps.

See what I did there tongue.gif
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We'll just have to wait and see. It'll be speculation all around until it's on the shelves, I just don't like to set my expectations too high. Honestly, gains in Silicon aren't exactly booming right now, anybody hoping Zen is going to stomp out Sky Lake or Cannon Lake should also play the mega millions wink.gif.

The one bright side is if like you said, if AMD releases an 8c/16T CPU that is close to haswell or sky lake in the realm of $500, that will at LEAST give the market some competition and hopefully give us (the consumer) more performance for less. I personally don't need anything better than a 5960x right now, but as a consumer I WANT 5960x performance for $500 where I simply can't afford $1000, surely this makes sense.

The argument will always go back and forth between affordability and raw performance. Either beat intel or come close for much less money.

Broadwell-E 8c might come in at 599 and be selling for 500 on the forums by the time Zen is released. That's what I fear will happen and Zen will lose its appeal.
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