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Thinking about gaming. Won't DX12 close the gap between a 8-threaded Piledriver and a i5 ?
If so, IPC would be just part of the equation, right?

Some people with an old FX may not warrant themselves an upgrade till the following year with yield improved models of the chips.
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Can you find a reference because i would like to know.. wverything ive seen said 2016

But it will be released in 2016.

http://www.pcworld.com/article/3024572/hardware/amds-zen-chips-coming-first-to-high-end-desktops-at-end-of-2016.html

This is for consumer PCs like DELL and HP. You'll see the consumer packaged products before retail, so early Q4 2016 for packaged.

All product release patterns including Piledriver and Bulldozer get additional releases for months after the initial release. Sometimes years later in the case of 8370. There will be your enthusiast chips in early Q4 so don't soil yourself.

Lisa su is stating that performance desktop is releasing first with the apu line all other models in 2017.. which means 8350 equivalent top tier will be in our hands most likely in october (from past amd history) thats not late..

Amd is straying from their tradition on this which makes sense.

Normally its server then to desktop

This time they are doing desktop first (to show the performance first to recapture the enterprise market) so from everything its still on time and never was delayed
Edited by F3ERS 2 ASH3S - 1/24/16 at 12:17pm
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Lisa su is stating that performance desktop is releasing first with the apu line all other models in 2017.. which means 8350 equivalent top tier will be in our hands most likely in october (from past amd history) thats not late..

This APU isn't a Zen core technology, it's a Carrizo+ (Bristol Ridge) model that will have significant gains over Kaveri, these APUs will be 28nm. Zen based APUs will be targeted for 2017.
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Lisa su is stating that performance desktop is releasing first with the apu line all other models in 2017.. which means 8350 equivalent top tier will be in our hands most likely in october (from past amd history) thats not late..

This APU isn't a Zen core technology, it's a Carrizo+ (Bristol Ridge) model that will have significant gains over Kaveri, these APUs will be 28nm. Zen based APUs will be targeted for 2017.

Summit ridge is zen cpu not apu.. you are correct zen apus will be 2017.. as their roadmaps have always stated. Again nothing delayed and please read my edit in my last post

Summit ridge q4 2016 which by tradition most likely in october
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Summit ridge is zen cpu not apu.. you are correct zen apus will be 2017.. as their roadmaps have always stated. Again nothing delayed and please read my edit in my last post

Summit ridge q4 2016 which by tradition most likely in october

Their 8350 equivalent will be out early you're correct, but their 8320 will not be out till a few months later. This is what I'm trying to convey.

You can't make money if you release all of your gap filling chips immediately. Years down the road depending on the core size at 14nm we could see an upward of 16 cores from Zen.
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Summit ridge is zen cpu not apu.. you are correct zen apus will be 2017.. as their roadmaps have always stated. Again nothing delayed and please read my edit in my last post

Summit ridge q4 2016 which by tradition most likely in october

Their 8350 equivalent will be out early you're correct, but their 8320 will not be out till a few months later. Catch the drift?

Im not 100% sure on that.. those two skus where made more or less for binning. We will see how well the node and supply goes to see if thats the case or not, thehy may pull an i tel and drop3 or 4 skis now then drop more skis in 2017. Doing that to match hugh end price points may be the best thing for amd. We still are unclear of what is being released. All we know is that "high end performance" are being released. That is pretty broad statement to deduce how many skus or if its just one.

My auto correct wants to go to the mountains lol
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Im not 100% sure on that.. those two skus where made more or less for binning. We will see how well the node and supply goes to see if thats the case or not, thehy may pull an i tel and drop3 or 4 skis now then drop more skis in 2017. Doing that to match hugh end price points may be the best thing for amd. We still are unclear of what is being released. All we know is that "high end performance" are being released. That is pretty broad statement to deduce how many skus or if its just one.

My auto correct wants to go to the mountains lol

Binning depends on yields of the silicone. High yields equals higher bins.

Mountains are beautiful, I live near them.
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SpeedyVT, your assertion that Zen is 'two years late' is bizarre. Zen is Jim Kellar's baby. He was only at AMD for 3 years. So if Zen was originally meant to be released two years ago, you really think AMD expected him to help design and produce a new chip family in 12 months? Doesn't make sense.

And like the poster above has stated, the Zen desktop processor arriving later this year is their enthusiast Summit Ridge CPU/s. I would love a Zen-based APU this year but sadly we all know that is going to be 2017, like AMD have stated several times.
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SpeedyVT, your assertion that Zen is 'two years late' is bizarre. Zen is Jim Kellar's baby. He was only at AMD for 3 years. So if Zen was originally meant to be released two years ago, you really think AMD expected him to help design and produce a new chip family in 12 months? Doesn't make sense.

And like the poster above has stated, the Zen desktop processor arriving later this year is their enthusiast Summit Ridge CPU/s. I would love a Zen-based APU this year but sadly we all know that is going to be 2017, like AMD have stated several times.

Later this year is so long! Must. Have. Engineering sample. RARRRRRRR

and yes it also seems to me that Zen was conceived and brought to life over the period of a couple of years, which is pretty decent. As a whole though the lag between Piledriver and Summit Ridge is where the problem is but we can take that both ways. At least people who bought an FX in 2011-2012 have had a few years to enjoy and they'll get a major upgrade this year. Some could say Intel is too quick to market small gains. All I care is that Zen brings performance to the table for the right price, combine the two and I'm buying.
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So much going on here this year. This Samsung deal is really going to make a huge difference for AMD.

When was the last time they even had this many products lined up to come out back to back to back? At the least we'll get two quarters out of them with substantially higer revenue if for no other reason than having a ton of new product out.
Edited by yawa - 1/24/16 at 12:53pm
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