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So much going on here this year. This Samsung deal is really going to make a huge difference for AMD.

When was the last time they even had this many products lined up to come out back to back to back.

Probably back in the day that they had a reliable Foundry to work with. GloFo constant failures almost cost them their existence.
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Maybe intel can go back to reasonably pricing things for once.
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SpeedyVT, your assertion that Zen is 'two years late' is bizarre. Zen is Jim Kellar's baby. He was only at AMD for 3 years. So if Zen was originally meant to be released two years ago, you really think AMD expected him to help design and produce a new chip family in 12 months? Doesn't make sense.

And like the poster above has stated, the Zen desktop processor arriving later this year is their enthusiast Summit Ridge CPU/s. I would love a Zen-based APU this year but sadly we all know that is going to be 2017, like AMD have stated several times.

Keller didn't make it the team under him did. Keller lead the team, Zen was in the works long before Keller, but Keller refined it by refining the team. He's just as important as the team working on it.

Don't assume that great engineering designs are the product of one man or you'll do little justice to all of the minds behind it.
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Probably back in the day that they had a reliable Foundry to work with. GloFo constant failures almost cost them their existence.

You're absolutely right, getting rid of their foundries was the safest move AMD could've done at the time. It's not like I wouldn't want AMD to have kept one, but I fore see that the upkeep and upgrade costs exceed AMD's abilities of the time it would've killed them as a company.
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All's well that ends well with regards to foundry capability if Samsung can turn out good product on the new node. Given Intel's financial advantage, a fairly well-strapped foundry partner like Samsung is precisely what AMD needed to focus on engineering and marketing. The nice thing about this point in time for AMD is that they can't really shoot their foot off anymore as they've already blasted both of them off the past few years. Zen and Polaris stop the bleeding or AMD is out. That kind of clarity can be beneficial to a schizoid company like AMD.

 

I hope they can pull it off, and I believe that they will. Their GPU's have been very good to me and I have no complaints about the 8320 I've got for the price I paid. I'm interested to see what they can do with a real sense of urgency and a focus on returning to high-end relevance.

     
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Probably back in the day that they had a reliable Foundry to work with. GloFo constant failures almost cost them their existence.

Indeed. Honestly people on here really aren't grasping how big a difference having Samsung's factories are gonna make here. I mean, think of it this way. Zen + actually has a shot to release on their 10nm process. Even has a shot to beat Intel to the node.

Going back even two months ago, think about how absurd that statement would sound. Now, it's a possibility.

The other immediate positive is held in the answer to the question, "When was the last time they were on/ahead of schedule?"

The thing that I swear is making all the difference for them right now (which I've talked about ad nauseum in other threads) is that deal between Global Foundries/Samsung/IBM from way back in 2014 to share resources and technology.

This is what I bring up when people crap on the Samsung deal and the quality and suitability of it's node/process for handling x86. This isn't Samsung jumping into this with their cellphone 14nm.

They've been prepping to recieve these designs since 2014. I ain't nearly as worried about the quality or even overclockability because of that.
Edited by yawa - 1/24/16 at 2:35pm
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Indeed. Honestly people on here really aren't grasping how big a difference having Samsung's factories are gonna make here. I mean, think of it this way. Zen + actually has a shot to release on their 10nm process. Even has a shot to beat Intel to the node.

The other immediate positive is held in the answer to the question, "When was the last time they were on/ahead of schedule?"

The thing that I swear is making all the difference for them right now (which I've talked about ad nauseum in other threads) is that deal between Global Foundries/Samsung/IBM from way back in 2014 to share resources and technology.

This is what I bring up when people crap on the Samsung deal and the quality and suitability of it's node/process for handling x86. This isn't Samsung jumping into this with their cellphone 14nm.

They've been prepping to recieve these designs since 2014. I ain't nearly as worried about the quality or even overclockability because of that.

Exactly. Samsung isn't exactly a gritty underfunded startup. AMD has a partner with the financial muscle needed to meet or exceed Intel fab on new process nodes. AMD hasn't had even secondary access to that kind of capability since the early oughts. This is a game-changing element to AMD's plans. Along with Keller and Raja and the work of their teams, this foundry deal represents some real substance to the AMD roadmap.

     
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Maybe intel can go back to reasonably pricing things for once.

Intel has very little interest in the PC market anymore.
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Intel has very little interest in the PC market anymore.

That's a bit presumptuous. Intel is the reigning king of the PC market, and because of that they get to enjoy naming their price without risking their bottom line on excessive R&D when there are no competitors. That money can go into the low power market where they stand to get a share of the market. Remember the price tag on the Athlon 64 (or am I thinking of the original Athlon / Tbird, I forget?) If AMD takes the crown, you can count on a 180 in the market with super expensive AMD hardware and priced to compete Intel product, and Intel will step it up to fight back if their share is under attack.
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That's a bit presumptuous. Intel is the reigning king of the PC market, and because of that they get to enjoy naming their price without risking their bottom line on excessive R&D when there are no competitors. That money can go into the low power market where they stand to get a share of the market. Remember the price tag on the Athlon 64 (or am I thinking of the original Athlon / Tbird, I forget?) If AMD takes the crown, you can count on a 180 in the market with super expensive AMD hardware and priced to compete Intel product, and Intel will step it up to fight back if their share is under attack.

According to a recent Linus show with snippet Intel is going to lean away from desktop processors and focus on servers.
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