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According to a recent Linus show with snippet Intel is going to lean away from desktop processors and focus on servers.

WAN show.. I saw that.

But when you think about it, our PC demands are essentially converging with the server end of things in the enthusiast market. Every time I check here everybody wants no less than 8c/16T CPUs. How different is Haswell-E from their Xeon cousins? It won't hurt them much when we're hitting a brick wall in silicon gains and software isn't creating much demand for more than what we have right now. How many people here actually want to upgrade from their current rig to another 4 core i5/i7?
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WAN show.. I saw that.

But when you think about it, our PC demands are essentially converging with the server end of things in the enthusiast market. Every time I check here everybody wants no less than 8c/16T CPUs. How different is Haswell-E from their Xeon cousins? It won't hurt them much when we're hitting a brick wall in silicon gains and software isn't creating much demand for more than what we have right now. How many people here actually want to upgrade from their current rig to another 4 core i5/i7?

Intel hopes that the consumer market closes because there are too many potential entry points for profit loss. Consumer based markets are incredibly hard to enter and keep.
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Intel is doing everything it can to get a slice of the meaty pie known as the HPC market, where nVidia currently reigns supreme with their Tesla lineup.
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To anyone claiming BS, this is AMD's LAST chance to save their company. After this, they will die if Zen does not save them. The GPU market just isn't embedded enough to bring the revenue they need to keep both sections of their company afloat.

I have faith. I have hope.

^-^

If I could count how many times I've read this and turn it into cash I'd be able to afford a Broadwell-E X part.

It's truer now than it was in the past but this has been hashed over so many times. The doom and gloom started when the original Phenom couldn't compare to a Core 2 and then amplified as Nahelm and Westmere went up against the Phenom II. 10 years of OMG AMD is doomed! and yet somehow...
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If I could count how many times I've read this and turn it into cash I'd be able to afford a Broadwell-E X part.

It's truer now than it was in the past but this has been hashed over so many times. The doom and gloom started when the original Phenom couldn't compare to a Core 2 and then amplified as Nahelm and Westmere went up against the Phenom II. 10 years of OMG AMD is doomed! and yet somehow...

Reminds me of the doom and gloom guy from office space. Except he eventually did get fired IIRC haha. I remember seeing my first Thinkpad (701?) at least 20 years ago and hearing. This is it! This is the end! no more desktops! This is the ennnnnnd! As long as I've been alive, PC hardware has waxed and waned over and over again and every single wane it was "this is it, we don't need anything faster, it's totally senseless". The Apple II was all we will ever need (seriously)! Worst I see it is AMDs fate being the same as 3dfx, basically living on through another name and a year or two later nobody cares in the slightest anymore.

I think most of the doom and gloom is centered around Intel becoming the all seeing eye of PC hardware.
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Reminds me of the doom and gloom guy from office space. Except he eventually did get fired IIRC haha. I remember seeing my first Thinkpad (701?) at least 20 years ago and hearing. This is it! This is the end! no more desktops! This is the ennnnnnd! As long as I've been alive, PC hardware has waxed and waned over and over again and every single wane it was "this is it, we don't need anything faster, it's totally senseless". The Apple II was all we will ever need (seriously)! Worst I see it is AMDs fate being the same as 3dfx, basically living on through another name and a year or two later nobody cares in the slightest anymore.

I think most of the doom and gloom is centered around Intel becoming the all seeing eye of PC hardware.

I think to a large degree it's less "doom and gloom" re: the existence of AMD as a company and more about whether or not AMD will regain perceptional position as a "true" competitor against Intel. That popular perception is important to AMD's future in the CPU space with general consumers and enthusiasts. The OEM market, and then Zen-as-Opteron, are two additional matters on top of that, albeit things I know very little about.

 

Certainly, if Zen and Polaris fail spectacularly AMD could continue on in a much smaller role doing semi-custom, niche, and mobile APU things. But "AMD as primary competition to Intel/Nvidia" could certainly use a couple of big wins against the frontrunners.

     
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Can you find a reference because i would like to know.. wverything ive seen said 2016


AM4 Bristol Ridge (FX on AM4 substrate and package) and AM4 mainboards will come out right at about 2016Q2-Q3. While Bristol Ridge is AM4 and "Zen" board compatible it isn't actually Zen itself and is 28nm.

AM4 Summit Ridge (FX on AM4 substrate and package) is due out maybe before early Zen or maybe not. Summit is supposed to be 14nm Excavator, which with the size of the AM4 package we may actually see inside hybrid chips with Zen cores and Excavator cores co-existing. Who knows in the end. Methinks the Zen cores will be far more powerful but having a proven core set in the 14nm range to further develop the tech will be an awesome step.

AMD seems to have announced that Summit Ridge is going to be early Zen cores instead of the earlier information about 14nm Excavator cores. They're talking just before 2016Q4 for release of Zen (likely early lower-count chips) and mid to end 2016Q4 release of commercial Zen chips.
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This APU isn't a Zen core technology, it's a Carrizo+ (Bristol Ridge) model that will have significant gains over Kaveri, these APUs will be 28nm. Zen based APUs will be targeted for 2017.

I wonder what kind of GPU horsepower AMD plans on putting behind their Zen APUs? Imagine like a 7950 level GPU in their APU. That would be pretty damn nuts.
    
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I wonder what kind of GPU horsepower AMD plans on putting behind their Zen APUs? Imagine like a 7950 level GPU in their APU. That would be pretty damn nuts.


id imagine something very similar to what was displayed at CES(therefore GTX 950 performance). given that the 7850k is essentially a DDR3 HD7750(implying obviously that it has to be faster than a 7750), having the numbers for power consumption for the test setup at CES, something similar could be on it (just a DDR4 variant unless the APU will have onboard ram of its own) would be my guess. But if AMD can get 7950 performance on the apu(lol instantly makes it faster than the XBO and PS4) Then welcome the new small form factor APU gaming build. (would also be a contender for value steambox build if AMD pulls through with promise of better linux drivers, but im not holding them to that)
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id imagine something very similar to what was displayed at CES(therefore GTX 950 performance). given that the 7850k is essentially a DDR3 HD7750(implying obviously that it has to be faster than a 7750), having the numbers for power consumption for the test setup at CES, something similar could be on it (just a DDR4 variant unless the APU will have onboard ram of its own) would be my guess. But if AMD can get 7950 performance on the apu(lol instantly makes it faster than the XBO and PS4) Then welcome the new small form factor APU gaming build. (would also be a contender for value steambox build if AMD pulls through with promise of better linux drivers, but im not holding them to that)

I would poop a brick if the Zen based APUs had it, because damn! Really even a 7850/7870 levels would be awesome to see in a little APU. Having used a couple of them in various builds, AMD's APUs are really sweet products.
    
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