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No salt, just sugar! Glad I made that edit with that sneaking suspicion.

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But I guess that depends on the processors you are comparing something you didn't specify.
What exactly was the original clock, and how would that change anything when a 980 Ti can gain up to a 36% increase in performance after overclocked? I wouldn't say they are financially standing firm based on the most recent financial results, while they are doing better than previous quarter it isn't better in the grand scheme of things. They really need to knock it out of the park with Zen. Despite all of this, I would really like to hear about AMD's many niche products, if you could please enlighten me.

The original clock on the Fury cards was supposed to be about 850mhz and 500mhz on memory. You would've got the opportunity to overclock it by 200mhz on the core. Then the 980 ti showed up and totally made AMD turn heads, I think they underestimated their competition.

Niche products like R9 Nano, AM1 systems, SoC non-consumer products and it's newest wraith cooler. I'm sure there is more, that's all I can think of on the top of my head.
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AMD has repeatedly stated that they are aiming high with Zen. A quad core as the top end would be aiming low.

AMD *MUST* create an octo-core Zen die as well as a quad core die. Anything less would be suicide. They need the 8-core die for servers - and the enthusiast market, with their high margins, can use up some of the capacity as well... at what would amount to a tiny additional cost for AMD while making their lower end offerings more appealing.

I won't upgrade to another quad core CPU (I have an i7 2600k @ 4.5GHz - though it is stable over 5GHz). If AMD wants me to buy Zen for more than just low end builds, they will need 6/8 core options with > Ivy Bridge IPC & clocks (the equivalent of 4.5GHz Sandy Bridge for ST is fine, though I'm always willing to have more).

They can't make anything less than a quad core because the modules are 4 core modules.
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AMD has repeatedly stated that they are aiming high with Zen. A quad core as the top end would be aiming low.

AMD *MUST* create an octo-core Zen die as well as a quad core die. Anything less would be suicide. They need the 8-core die for servers - and the enthusiast market, with their high margins, can use up some of the capacity as well... at what would amount to a tiny additional cost for AMD while making their lower end offerings more appealing.

I won't upgrade to another quad core CPU (I have an i7 2600k @ 4.5GHz - though it is stable over 5GHz). If AMD wants me to buy Zen for more than just low end builds, they will need 6/8 core options with > Ivy Bridge IPC & clocks (the equivalent of 4.5GHz Sandy Bridge for ST is fine, though I'm always willing to have more).

They can't make anything less than a quad core because the modules are 4 core modules.

Pretty much this.. there was a rumors of 16 core / 32 threads a wile back.. but I think if that was the case it would be server side.. not saying I wouldn't love to have one of thems though on am4
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AMD has repeatedly stated that they are aiming high with Zen. A quad core as the top end would be aiming low.

AMD *MUST* create an octo-core Zen die as well as a quad core die. Anything less would be suicide. They need the 8-core die for servers - and the enthusiast market, with their high margins, can use up some of the capacity as well... at what would amount to a tiny additional cost for AMD while making their lower end offerings more appealing.

I won't upgrade to another quad core CPU (I have an i7 2600k @ 4.5GHz - though it is stable over 5GHz). If AMD wants me to buy Zen for more than just low end builds, they will need 6/8 core options with > Ivy Bridge IPC & clocks (the equivalent of 4.5GHz Sandy Bridge for ST is fine, though I'm always willing to have more).

So, something about AMD, and this is a lot of just my own observations over the years....

AMD has always had the engineers, or access to engineers. Their shortcomings haven't been due to their engineers, but management and the lack of funding. A bright mind can only do so much with small budgets. That shows in their products over the last couple of years.

What also shows is that AMD has recognized this and is making great efforts to change it. The formation of RTG, and the mountain of money they (probably) threw at Jim Keller and team to create Zen. I would expect Zen's entry level to be a quad core, scaling up to who knows how many for enthusiast. Add to that the muzzle they put on Roy, who was absolutely destroying their image, and you can see AMD is very serious.
    
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AMD has repeatedly stated that they are aiming high with Zen. A quad core as the top end would be aiming low.

AMD *MUST* create an octo-core Zen die as well as a quad core die. Anything less would be suicide. They need the 8-core die for servers - and the enthusiast market, with their high margins, can use up some of the capacity as well... at what would amount to a tiny additional cost for AMD while making their lower end offerings more appealing.

I won't upgrade to another quad core CPU (I have an i7 2600k @ 4.5GHz - though it is stable over 5GHz). If AMD wants me to buy Zen for more than just low end builds, they will need 6/8 core options with > Ivy Bridge IPC & clocks (the equivalent of 4.5GHz Sandy Bridge for ST is fine, though I'm always willing to have more).

So, something about AMD, and this is a lot of just my own observations over the years....

AMD has always had the engineers, or access to engineers. Their shortcomings haven't been due to their engineers, but management and the lack of funding. A bright mind can only do so much with small budgets. That shows in their products over the last couple of years.

What also shows is that AMD has recognized this and is making great efforts to change it. The formation of RTG, and the mountain of money they (probably) threw at Jim Keller and team to create Zen. I would expect Zen's entry level to be a quad core, scaling up to who knows how many for enthusiast. Add to that the muzzle they put on Roy, who was absolutely destroying their image, and you can see AMD is very serious.

Roy changed avenues to market AMD. Sure, putting lipstick on a pig doen't do iit much good, but Roy is still firing redface.gif
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Roy changed avenues to market AMD. Sure, putting lipstick on a pig doen't do iit much good, but Roy is still firing redface.gif

Did he get that Twitter account back?
    
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Did he get that Twitter account back?

https://twitter.com/roy_techhwood
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Pretty much this.. there was a rumors of 16 core / 32 threads a wile back.. but I think if that was the case it would be server side.. not saying I wouldn't love to have one of thems though on am4

The rumored 16 core was an APU. The server CPU was rumored to be 32 core.
Edited by variant - 1/25/16 at 11:15am
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Yep,
AM4 - Zen desktop - up to 8 cores.
AM4 - APU probably more than 16 cores (4 cpu cores + 12 GCN4 cores).
They have managed to put 4 excavator cores and 8 GCN cores on 28nm @ 246mm^2
Probably AM4 will allow larger chip around 300-350mm^2.

How much performance could APu have probably around R9 380.
Skylake CPU 4 cores 8 thread = around 120mm^2 right?
Polaris GPU that was showed on GDC 2016 = 120mm^2 right?

They could probably make much faster CHIP if AM4 will allow large chips.
Edited by Themisseble - 1/25/16 at 11:20am
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