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ZEN 5GHz @ 1.15V core

What about price predictions?
2C/4T? 80-140€?
4C/4T ? 150 - 200€ or even more?
4C/8T ? 250 - 300€ or even more?
6C/12T ? 350 - 400€?

Will ZEN core get BE edition?

I expect all zen SKUs to have HT activated. 4C-8T going up against the i5 in price , 6C-12T against the quad i7.
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Yep,
AM4 - Zen desktop - up to 8 cores.
AM4 - APU probably more than 16 cores (4 cpu cores + 12 GCN4 cores).
They have managed to put 4 excavator cores and 8 GCN cores on 28nm @ 246mm^2
Probably AM4 will allow larger chip around 300-350mm^2.

How much performance could APu have probably around R9 380.
Skylake CPU 4 cores 8 thread = around 120mm^2 right?
Polaris GPU that was showed on GDC 2016 = 120mm^2 right?

They could probably make much faster CHIP if AM4 will allow large chips.

The rumor is that the APU has 16 Zen x86 cores.
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pfft. i'll believe it when i see it.
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Well, here's the APU detailed. 16 Zen x86 cores (32 threads), Greenland GPU, HBM, and HSA.
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Yep,
AM4 - Zen desktop - up to 8 cores.
AM4 - APU probably more than 16 cores (4 cpu cores + 12 GCN4 cores).
They have managed to put 4 excavator cores and 8 GCN cores on 28nm @ 246mm^2
Probably AM4 will allow larger chip around 300-350mm^2.

How much performance could APu have probably around R9 380.
Skylake CPU 4 cores 8 thread = around 120mm^2 right?
Polaris GPU that was showed on GDC 2016 = 120mm^2 right?

They could probably make much faster CHIP if AM4 will allow large chips.

lachen.gif

A quad-core APU with an R9 380 equivalent on package? As much as I would love to see that, it isn't going to happen anytime soon. Maybe in ~2-3 years, but not anytime before 2018. Then again, if AMD did do that this year, second half of next year, Intel and Nvidia both might have issues.

That would be the king of 1080P gaming, no questions asked. Man, get a very, very, very, tiny ITX board with SODIMMs! Hell of a tiny box.
    
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Yep,
AM4 - Zen desktop - up to 8 cores.
AM4 - APU probably more than 16 cores (4 cpu cores + 12 GCN4 cores).
They have managed to put 4 excavator cores and 8 GCN cores on 28nm @ 246mm^2
Probably AM4 will allow larger chip around 300-350mm^2.

How much performance could APu have probably around R9 380.
Skylake CPU 4 cores 8 thread = around 120mm^2 right?
Polaris GPU that was showed on GDC 2016 = 120mm^2 right?

They could probably make much faster CHIP if AM4 will allow large chips.

lachen.gif

A quad-core APU with an R9 380 equivalent on package? As much as I would love to see that, it isn't going to happen anytime soon. Maybe in ~2-3 years, but not anytime before 2018. Then again, if AMD did do that this year, second half of next year, Intel and Nvidia both might have issues.

That would be the king of 1080P gaming, no questions asked. Man, get a very, very, very, tiny ITX board with SODIMMs! Hell of a tiny box.

If that happened I would build 2 or three of those myself..
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If that happened I would build 2 or three of those myself..

I would literally build at least three.

My oldest son has his computer already. So I would just build my other son, daughter, and wife one. Although the wife has a Yoga 2 Pro. It would just be super simple to mount a SFF case on the back of a display, and go nuts at that point.

  • Zen APU /w 380 performance
  • SODIMMS on ITX
  • M.2 PCI-E SSD
  • VESA mount to the back of a panel
    
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If that happened I would build 2 or three of those myself..

I would literally build at least three.

My oldest son has his computer already. So I would just build my other son, daughter, and wife one. Although the wife has a Yoga 2 Pro. It would just be super simple to mount a SFF case on the back of a display, and go nuts at that point.

  • Zen APU /w 380 performance
  • SODIMMS on ITX
  • M.2 PCI-E SSD
  • VESA mount to the back of a panel

We can pitch in together and create a true affordable AOI unit with proper cooling at that point.
our tag line could be FE3R the Postal Twinkie!
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Profit!

Million dollar idea right there thumb.gif

really though, this would be the best case scenario for AOI computers..
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post #269 of 841
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AM4 will have 8 cores 16 threads.
AM4 will support large chip.
TheStilt still doesnt know zens details. So I dont believe theStilt.

But probably its true...

The Stilt guy has much more knowledge and much better contacts than most people of this forum....
I have also few direct AMD contacts many years. I told you, dont waiting something unreal...

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AMD has repeatedly stated that they are aiming high with Zen. A quad core as the top end would be aiming low.

AMD *MUST* create an octo-core Zen die as well as a quad core die. Anything less would be suicide. They need the 8-core die for servers - and the enthusiast market, with their high margins, can use up some of the capacity as well... at what would amount to a tiny additional cost for AMD while making their lower end offerings more appealing.

I won't upgrade to another quad core CPU (I have an i7 2600k @ 4.5GHz - though it is stable over 5GHz). If AMD wants me to buy Zen for more than just low end builds, they will need 6/8 core options with > Ivy Bridge IPC & clocks (the equivalent of 4.5GHz Sandy Bridge for ST is fine, though I'm always willing to have more).

AMD is focusing at best selling segment of gaming CPUs with Zen. And it is LGA11xx, not the LGA2011. Second point is TDP of Zens CPUs. It is 95W "only" for highend models.
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lachen.gif

A quad-core APU with an R9 380 equivalent on package? As much as I would love to see that, it isn't going to happen anytime soon. Maybe in ~2-3 years, but not anytime before 2018. Then again, if AMD did do that this year, second half of next year, Intel and Nvidia both might have issues.

That would be the king of 1080P gaming, no questions asked. Man, get a very, very, very, tiny ITX board with SODIMMs! Hell of a tiny box.

Hmm
Do you know that AMD is going down from 28nm to 14nmFinFet?
So what double performance of GTX 980TI on 14nm is impossible?

Like I said If AM4 will support larger CHIP like 300-350mm^2 that could happen or even greater performance... but dont expect it under 600$ .
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