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So, even though inflation has effected every other industry in the world and $60 in 1990 is now $90 in 2015, you believe that the value of said products has decreased and now have an inherent value of $40-$50.? Seriously?
Of course you have $60 titles...Again, inflation...$30 DCL's again, inflation...Welcome to the market.

The market may be getting bigger and more expensive, but peoples budgets and wages aren't keeping up to satisfy the increased prices. Games are getting more expensive and people just don't have the cash to spend on them, which is why steam sales are when most people buy their games.
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If you don't want DLC's drop $100 (Which is the $60 after inflation) and be done with it - That's what MOST people actually do.

Going to need some data to show that people are willing to plop $100+ down on a game as I've seen quiet the opposite via popular opinion from many top curators on youtube, and many agree with their opinion.
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That being said, there isn't unnecessary software, there's an authenticator...And when you REMOVE the game, the Serial # stays in an authentication file...That's ALL that tays.

I already see Uplay as unnecessary software, so this denuvo is an extra piece of software I don't need to run my games, as it does nothing to benefit my experience.
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Also you can run the game's .exe without first signing into Steam - Run Steam in offline mode...Duh.

Yes I know steam has an offline mode and I do use it, what I am saying is that once you have the game downloaded, steam shouldn't be needed to launch the game at all if the exe is right there for you to execute. I don't put up with that kind of control over my software.
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Originally Posted by Frankzro View Post

For the gamer who travels with a laptop.... This DRM is not a good thing and what if there is no internet connection? Want me to just NOT buy the game and only play when I have one?

They need to stop putting barriera because those also kill sells and I know they mean well and all, but if todays games are a sign of whats to come why should I keep playing games?

To me... 7/10 Games a year are GARBAGE , non tested or have many bugs, 0 content, online only, Online Downloads only...

Games just keep getting worst... The majority, that is.

I'm getting too old for this...

Exactly why I always research any game I consider purchasing to see what kind of hoops I have to jump through just to launch the exe and get into the game. Things are getting worse and I to am getting too old for this nonsense. I miss the days when you could just pop a game in and play it right away. Nowadays you have to make an account, sign into an account (hope that it is up when you want to play) install your game, wait for updates, and then be able to play.

Waiting for the next gaming bubble to burst so a change can happen where consumers aren't getting nickel and dimed for every little thing.
Edited by XAslanX - 1/25/16 at 5:50pm
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edit: ops, didn't know alt+enter sends post.

Oh well. Might as well mention what I had on my mind! There's the original first three Tomb Raider games, DRM free, on Good Old Games, for 10 bucks. Maybe worth a consideration, if you want a good gaming experience. I can vouch for the series!

The input sheme might be a bit archaic and gamepad catered, though.
Edited by Tivan - 1/25/16 at 6:13pm
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I like how everyone keeps saying games are luxury items all while at the same time being completely ignorant to the rest of the world outside the US.

So because you happen to be born in a country whose economics and government aren't completely in the dirt and the jobs here pay a LOT more than the rest of the world and you're automatically more privileged then most people that you have, what, some inherent right to entertainment then those that don't have these privileges? Oh, let me guess, the kid that lives in India should what? Move to America? Get a job that pays more than $1 an hour working for our corporations that pay them that little? Again, you people that are making these arguments are being VERY short minded, and dare I say, selfish and petty.

Or those that keep bringing up Steam as if Steam is just available to everyone and doesn't price gouge half the countries that do have it (like Australia). Steam isn't some be-all answer to piracy. Even then though refunds don't answer everything. You can only play a game for two hours...what's to stop a developer from making the first couple hours of a game fantastic then get lazy towards the middle/end?

Hell, I look at Fable 3...I played it and loved it, bought me a copy, all only to get to the end which had one of the laziest and craptastic endings ever! So despite the fact that I enjoyed the game the ending COMPLETELY ruined the game for me and it all seemed like a giant waste of time. Do I wish I could have gotten a refund then? You're damn right!

Pirating isn't hurting ANYONE here and has largely shown to not hurt any industry as a whole. So how about we quit assuming things about other people and just move on? Unless you are actively losing money from pirating (which again no one is) then why do you care so much? Take your nice paying job in your first world country and go buy your games and feel good about yourselves all while putting down others that can't. That's a good way to show your superiority!
post #154 of 278
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Pirating isn't hurting ANYONE here and has largely shown to not hurt any industry as a whole. So how about we quit assuming things about other people and just move on? Unless you are actively losing money from pirating (which again no one is) then why do you care so much? Take your nice paying job in your first world country and go buy your games and feel good about yourselves all while putting down others that can't. That's a good way to show your superiority!

No.

While it's not as victimizing as the MPAA and RIA would have you believe, in the software world, Piracy accounts for over 100b loss yearly. You can GOOGLE that and see #'s anywhere from estimated losses of over 400b to x to y etc.

So claiming it's not hurting ANYONE, is just a lie. It's a fallacy. - Ultimately there is no assumption. We can agree that piracy DOES hurt the industry as a whole, especially the developers. Does it hurt as much as they want you to believe? No, probably not but, claiming it doesn't hurt anyone? LOL. That's more crap than what my Grandmother loads into the Thanksgiving turkey.
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No.

While it's not as victimizing as the MPAA and RIA would have you believe, in the software world, Piracy accounts for over 100b loss yearly. You can GOOGLE that and see #'s anywhere from estimated losses of over 400b to x to y etc.

So claiming it's not hurting ANYONE, is just a lie. It's a fallacy. - Ultimately there is no assumption. We can agree that piracy DOES hurt the industry as a whole, especially the developers. Does it hurt as much as they want you to believe? No, probably not but, claiming it doesn't hurt anyone? LOL. That's more crap than what my Grandmother loads into the Thanksgiving turkey.

Notice how I said "Pirating isn't hurting ANYONE here". Are you hurt by piracy? Is anyone here? I'm not saying that piracy doesn't hurt anything ever, just that all the crying by people in this thread doesn't make sense.

My point was that everyone keeps throwing around "work for the money" or "use Steam" as if that's a choice for everyone all the time. Plenty of people work their butts off and fingers to the bone every day and still couldn't afford a game after working a week. So there for because of that SCREW THEM! THEY AREN'T ALLOWED LUXURY ITEMS! Yeah, because that's fair. Has nothing to do with your random birth in a country that allows people these privileges. Go work in some third world countries and work like they do and get paid like they do and tell me that pirating a game or movie isn't going to interest you when the only thing you might be able to afford is a VHS copy of Murder She Wrote.

It's a backwards way of thinking. The USA isn't everywhere else. We're lucky. We get luxury items because those that can't afford them make them for us. So there's no reason why they should get them...lesser thans!

As far as DRM goes I hope everyone that supports it won't mind not being able to play the games they paid for when the servers that support their authenticity shut down like has happened with some Securom games. Those old PC games of yesteryear I can still enjoy because I don't need to activate them...before DRM PC gaming was just absolutely doomed, huh? Either way, that's off topic and not the point of my argument.
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Well that have nothing to do with pirates boosting sales. They hurt sales.

The old excuse that piracy is helping is old and have been busted countless times.


where is the citation for this?

i love to learn, so i'd like to read it.
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Google. - Keep in mind when you google that Somali Pirates are actually real life pirates on the real life ocean - "ARRRRR ARRRRRRRRR MAITEY"

Really depends on who you source, to be honest.

http://freakonomics.com/2012/01/12/how-much-do-music-and-movie-piracy-really-hurt-the-u-s-economy/

Freakonmics actually claims it's a 200 billion dollar industry.

http://www.eweek.com/security/microsoft-pirated-software-to-cost-businesses-491-billion-in-2014.html

Eweek claims it's 491 billion.

http://www.itworldcanada.com/article/software-piracy-costs-businesses-114b-idc/47517

Itworld claims it's about 114b.

My estimate of 75b is more realistic, IMO. It's not fear-mongering, it's not going overboard - In fact, I'd say 75b is incredibly conservative when it comes to the global market.

Of that 75b we're talking about Music/Movies/Software - The video gaming section of that pie is incredibly niche compared to the others, especially with Steam allowing refunds...In fact, Steam saw a pretty dramatic sift after they allowed refunds because people now use them as demos...

Historically pirates target DRM-laden product in an effort to "strike back" against the "man" - Thus, we see product specifically from Ubisoft targeted for a reason, mind you...That really hasn't changed.
So Valve makes you a slave by force-authenticating product you should have paid for, in the first place?

That's incredibly narcissistic if I may say so, myself.

its actually much much more.
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In early 2011, the RIAA announced their intention to sue LimeWire, pursuing a statutory damages theory that claimed up to $72 trillion in damages[40] – a sum greater than the current GDP of the entire global economy. There are currently around 11,000 songs on LimeWire that have been tagged as copyright-infringed, and the RIAA estimates that each one has been downloaded thousands of times, the penalties accruing to the above sum.[41][42]

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LimeWire


i think that number was a goof... i think
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Posted the same thing in the other thread.. I just hope that this kills that "piracy kills PC sales" excuse devs constantly resort to. And maybe, just maybe, we'll get a decent game or two.

I wonder, though I think they probably keep spitting it out anyway.

Though for me, because all these darn PC games got DRM of some kind on them. I tend to wait a year or two, and they may get ten bucks out of me if even that for the game since they lock the games to a online account.

Funny thing is. I knew a lot of peeps who had modded consoles who pirated games on the darn things. tongue.gif
 
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where is the citation for this?

i love to learn, so i'd like to read it.

He doesn't have any. I just read this whole thread and his response to everything was "I think...". He doesn't have (or certainly hasn't shown) anything to back his claims like others have.

Just an observation.
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Yeah well he doesn't need citations coz of a thing called "common sense". rolleyes.gif

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