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If even 1 of the pirated games would have been a sale then it's a loss. I speak from personal experience. I used to pirate games and tell myself that I would buy the good ones and then lose the will to buy them by the time I had completed the game.

I never recommended anyone to buy them either I just told them where to find good torrents.........That is my experience and it's a fact not a hypothetical conclusion.

You're not wrong, but I do believe that piracy exists and it will continue to exist for reasons volatile and non. So long as the anti-piracy and drm does not violate the users ability to play and enjoy the game it's all good. I see both sides and I believe in both side's importance to each other's competitive cycle. You can't have no loss of sales and have a business for Denuvo.

We think piracy is bad, but from my perspective it's obviously creating jobs. It's also advertising to the edges of the internet that does not know what Bejeweled is. It's definitely something to not under appreciate.
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A $60 games can go down to $5 after sales, sometimes even $2.5. If the person cant afford it = wait for it to get cheaper.

I am pretty sure $2.5 isnt luxury anymore, if he still have problem with $2.5, may be he shouldnt even buy his gaming device at all.


It is like trying to justify want a TITAN X performance but didnt want to pay for it or wait for Pascal mid end GPU that offer equivalent performance.

Well that is something that happens. There ARE people who buy videogames in poor countries, when they have the means anyway. The second you expect someone to use an international Credit Card, you already lost A LOT of customers. There are local resellers though, and CD magazines, in India, Brazil, China, Pakistan, etc.
post #183 of 278
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Well that is something that happens. There ARE people who buy videogames in poor countries, when they have the means anyway. The second you expect someone to use an international Credit Card, you already lost A LOT of customers. There are local resellers though, and CD magazines, in India, Brazil, China, Pakistan, etc.

I can tell you one thing I'm buying some games while I am in Thailand. 30baht is a meal there on the street, 36 baht is a $1.
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A $60 games can go down to $5 after sales, sometimes even $2.5. If the person cant afford it = wait for it to get cheaper.

I am pretty sure $2.5 isnt luxury anymore, if he still have problem with $2.5, may be he shouldnt even buy his gaming device at all.


It is like trying to justify want a TITAN X performance but didnt want to pay for it or wait for Pascal mid end GPU that offer equivalent performance.

first of all you're talking american dollars. you need to consider the rate of exchange (and that is even IF the foreign currency is accepted.) 4 years ago a copy of XP would cost ~$2,000 US in romania.

then you overlooked weather or not they have an internet connection - or you never heard of internet cafes?

here is one:


pretty sweet looking, eh?

that is the problem with a lot of the argument against piracy; there is no accounting for cultural relativity and will continue to be a problem.
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And can you explain to me how and why this affects you so much? What are you losing by other people getting access to stuff they otherwise wouldn't be able to in the first place? Why do you care? It doesn't hurt you. If anything DRM's like Denuvo is more damaging so why are you supporting it? Whether too cheap, kids that have no jobs or money or those that can't legally get the games due to geo location or can't get movies or games because they're incredibly poor...none of them would buy to begin with...so why does this hurt you so badly? How much money have you lost over this?

What's the problem with minding your own business and letting those that are less privileged have some good things in their lives from time to time? I can tell by your comments you've never been to a third world country or impoverished areas. You keep on with your attitude that I already showed is wrong and messed up. Congrats being born in a privileged country and being paid more in an hour than most make in a day or more. Cool for you. So lucky...because we all know that no one here would ever pirate anything if you couldn't afford it. You'd just go your life with no more games, movies, music, etc...

If you disagree that's fine but at least have a better reason other than "because they're poor they shouldn't be allowed to have the same stuff we get because they aren't worth it".

So If I can't afford stuff I can just go to your house and take what you have. Its OK as long as you're poor. Thievery is what you're promoting after all.





You don't need to visit a 3rd world country to find poor. America has plenty of poor people who can't buy food to feed their kids. Who can't get a job because they aren't skilled enough. Maybe they do have a job but can't get enough hours due to a high population. They have trouble keeping the electricity on and a roof over their head. They aren't going to have computers capable of running games. They aren't going to have any reason to pirate PC games.
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So If I can't afford stuff I can just go to your house and take what you have. Its OK as long as you're poor. Thievery is what you're promoting after all.





You don't need to visit a 3rd world country to find poor. America has plenty of poor people who can't buy food to feed their kids. Who can't get a job because they aren't skilled enough. Maybe they do have a job but can't get enough hours due to a high population. They have trouble keeping the electricity on and a roof over their head. They aren't going to have computers capable of running games. They aren't going to have any reason to pirate PC games.
Dumb argument. Its not a single man that is making game and stuff. Tell me, if i download the new X hollywood blockbuster movie, how will this hurt the creators? A whole company gets from movie like the new Star Wars 1B$. Movie costs were lets say 100millions. This includes actor payment and such. Tell me, what is the company going to do with the rest? Grow poor? Or like with pirating music from dead groups or singers. Is Elvis going to die from hunger if i download his music?
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So If I can't afford stuff I can just go to your house and take what you have. Its OK as long as you're poor. Thievery is what you're promoting after all.

Either you're being dishonest or stupid. Copyright infringement ISN'T theft, neither LEGALLY or LOGICALLY. What defines theft is the subtraction of property and the impediment of the other to make use of the property. None of those elements are present in copyright infringement.
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And can you explain to me how and why this affects you so much? What are you losing by other people getting access to stuff they otherwise wouldn't be able to in the first place? Why do you care? It doesn't hurt you. If anything DRM's like Denuvo is more damaging so why are you supporting it? Whether too cheap, kids that have no jobs or money or those that can't legally get the games due to geo location or can't get movies or games because they're incredibly poor...none of them would buy to begin with...so why does this hurt you so badly? How much money have you lost over this?

What's the problem with minding your own business and letting those that are less privileged have some good things in their lives from time to time? I can tell by your comments you've never been to a third world country or impoverished areas. You keep on with your attitude that I already showed is wrong and messed up. Congrats being born in a privileged country and being paid more in an hour than most make in a day or more. Cool for you. So lucky...because we all know that no one here would ever pirate anything if you couldn't afford it. You'd just go your life with no more games, movies, music, etc...

If you disagree that's fine but at least have a better reason other than "because they're poor they shouldn't be allowed to have the same stuff we get because they aren't worth it".

I've never said they aren't allowed to have the same stuff that we have. I said they should save up and buy the games that they want. As Clocknut said, $60 games regularly drop down to $5, sometimes lower. Fair enough, those are games that would be a few years old, but it still happens. And with Steam/Origin refunds, if the $5-$60 game they bought doesn't work properly, they don't like it or some other reason, they can get a refund to buy another game or buy something else entirely.
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you need to stop, your being contemptuous and ignorant.

TIA.

I was just going off AndroidVagetas examples. Chances are, the guy in India working for $1 an hour won't have the money to buy the hardware to run the pirated game in the first place.
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Sorry, this is very close minded point of view. Just because we can't afford it, doesn't mean that we have to live our entire life without fun or hobby like that.

I agree. I want to get into amateur racing series such as Britcar 24hr. I can't afford it, so it gives me a right to go out and steal a Ferrari?

I know pirating a video game isn't the same as stealing a Ferrari, but it's the same principle.

I can't afford a Ferrari to get into an amatuer racing series, so I found a different, cheaper hobby which for me is gaming. There is no reason why they can't do the same.
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A $60 games can go down to $5 after sales, sometimes even $2.5. If the person cant afford it = wait for it to get cheaper.

I am pretty sure $2.5 isnt luxury anymore, if he still have problem with $2.5, may be he shouldnt even buy his gaming device at all.


It is like trying to justify want a TITAN X performance but didnt want to pay for it or wait for Pascal mid end GPU that offer equivalent performance.

This. And like I've been saying, if it turns out the $5 game doesn't work or they don't like it, they could get a refund to buy something else.

Really, the only reason why people pirate these days is because they are cheap, or they want to play the latest Battle Creed of Duty without wanting to wait for it to get down to a price they can afford.

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Clearly you don't know life in the third world.

Millions - tens or hundreds of millions - of people can afford food and electricity, the problem is they have to SAVE to buy computer equipment. They sure as hell aren't going to save money to buy $60 games. Suggesting they "do something" is a morally and intellectually deficient statement, and you see this argument a lot, including here. It's not an option because the lack of social mobility is pretty much what defines those countries as "third world" or "developing".

I spent the first half of my life living not too far away from a township in Soweto, South Africa. I do know how bad it can get for people living in those conditions, and people who do live in those conditions have much more important things to worry about than playing the latest games.
    
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I spent the first half of my life living not too far away from a township in Soweto, South Africa. I do know how bad it can get for people living in those conditions, and people who do live in those conditions have much more important things to worry about than playing the latest games.

I'm not talking about people living in tin shacks. I'm talking about people who lives a life that resembles something like a "middle class", people who can afford a house, a car. People who can save for a year or two to buy a new PC, with decent parts.
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Or like with pirating music from dead groups or singers. Is Elvis going to die from hunger if i download his music?

That is another subject, about Copyright law, not about the morality of piracy itself. Although in this case, I am 100% fine with it, because I DO NOT agree with the concept of "intellectual property" being inherited, at least not for that long.
Edited by girugamesh - 1/26/16 at 5:31am
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Either you're being dishonest or stupid. Copyright infringement ISN'T theft, neither LEGALLY or LOGICALLY. What defines theft is the subtraction of property and the impediment of the other to make use of the property. None of those elements are present in copyright infringement.

Piracy is theft of goods, more specifically digital goods. Digital items hold value.
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