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No. That's copyright infringiment. rolleyes.gif

Piracy = Copywrite infringment
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Piracy is only piracy if you're selling the copy written material as your own.

The action of downloading a torrent without transaction makes it downloading.

No. You don't have to sell anything.

You are in unlawful possession of another's property by which, you obtained illegally. Period.

There is no ethical or moral high ground - Piracy is piracy regardless of it's value.
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God had to tell you that Murder was wrong?

Did God have to tell you that theft was wrong?

Piracy IS theft. Piracy is ALSO illegal. Therefor, piracy as an ethical debate, defines itself.

I have no idea what that statement means...But, I really don't care, either.
If something with a value of 0 is taken without the creator's permission it is still stolen.

Multiplicity and tangibility have absolutely no effect on ownership or licensing regardless of it's "cost".

I don't see what "God" has to do with any of this, but if you can both show the world his existence, AND the divine scripture that dictated everyone is entitled to your particular views on Intellectual Property, then we would be solving a lot of the world's problems. I guess you can't show us either, unfortunately.

And again you're devolving your post into silly emotional analogies. Murder? Seriously? In your head, somehow, aversion to murder and piracy are somehow mutually inclusive? I think that's not the case, because otherwise we would be discussing your SANITY here.

I think you should first learn what MORALITY means, and why it is subjective on both personal and collective levels.
post #234 of 278
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Originally Posted by SpeedyVT View Post

Piracy = Copywrite infringment
It is a form of copyright infringiment then,not copyright infringiment per se.
post #235 of 278
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I don't see what "God" has to do with any of this, but if you can both show the world his existence, AND the divine scripture that dictated everyone is entitled to your particular views on Intellectual Property, then we would be solving a lot of the world's problems. I guess you can't show us neither, unfortunately.

And again you're devolving your post into silly emotional analogies. Murder? Seriously? In your head, somehow, aversion to murder and piracy are somehow mutually inclusive? I think that's not the case, because otherwise we would be discussing your SANITY here.

I think you should first learn what MORALITY means, and why it is subjective on both personal and collective levels.

How is that an emotional argument?

Murder is okay? Murder is wrong?

I was imposing the ideal that a commandment is a definition of ethical boundaries, clearly something you missed, in it's entirety.

That being said, for most people, the state's definition is the only definition, therefor if something is illegal, it's wrong. That's not really an argument.

Your continual need to redefine pirating as ethical is, concerning but, it's really not my problem.

Murder and Piracy are both illegal. Clearly one is significantly more severe than the other, it still doesn't change the premise and or/morality of either. Wrong is wrong.

I comprehend what morality means, clearly, more than you considering when the premise of Commandments were brought forth, you attempted to spin it into an emotional debate where no emotions exist. Either law is law or it's not. Man-made or other, law is law.

Piracy is breaking the law. Ethically, morally, legally; piracy is wrong.

No emotional argument changes the facts - Piracy is piracy, piracy is illegal under both the law of "god" and our own.
post #236 of 278
I'm getting low on popcorn here, so I type a little.

Sometimes a I wonder the world would be better without copyright. People developing and creating things for it's own sake instead of for money... Of course there would be much less material, but I think the average quality would be much higher.
post #237 of 278
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No. You don't have to sell anything.

You are in unlawful possession of another's property by which, you obtained illegally. Period.

There is no ethical or moral high ground - Piracy is piracy regardless of it's value.

It's not property it's data. It's like documentation. Property has to be tangible. Personal data =/= property.

Copywrite only applies to information not property. So it is not theft. Whole different beast, it's copywrite infringement, but to infringe you'd have to also be selling the copywritten material.
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post #238 of 278
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It's not property it's data. It's like documentation. Property has to be tangible. Personal data =/= property.

Incorrect.

That specific data, created that specific way, is property. It is therefor owned.

Property does not have to be tangible.

Your attempt at justifying piracy is just going further and further down the rabbit hole of irrelevance.

Piracy is piracy no matter where it is, how it is, or what "property" is being pirated. It's still illegal.
post #239 of 278
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Incorrect.

That specific data, created that specific way, is property. It is therefor owned.

Property does not have to be tangible.

Your attempt at justifying piracy is just going further and further down the rabbit hole of irrelevance.

Piracy is piracy no matter where it is, how it is, or what "property" is being pirated. It's still illegal.

Tangible property in law is, literally, anything which can be touched, and includes both real property and personal property (or moveable property), and stands in distinction to intangible property.[citation needed]

In English law and some Commonwealth legal systems, items of tangible property are referred to as choses in possession (or a chose in possession in the singular). However, some property, despite being physical in nature, is classified in many legal systems as intangible property rather than tangible property because the rights associated with the physical item are of far greater significance than the physical properties. Principally, these are documentary intangibles. For example, a promissory note is a piece of paper that can be touched, but the real significance is not the physical paper, but the legal rights which the paper confers, and hence the promissory note is defined by the legal debt rather than the physical attributes.[1]

A unique category of property is money, which in some legal systems is treated as tangible property and in others as intangible property. Whilst most countries legal tender is expressed in the form of intangible property ("The Treasury of Country X hereby promises to pay to the bearer on demand...."), in practice bank notes are now rarely ever redeemed in any country, which has led to bank notes and coins being classified as tangible property in most modern legal systems.
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*snip*.

http://www.digitalpassing.com/2010/06/21/what-is-digital-property/
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Intellectual property rights also can exist in digital property, such as pictures, music, movies, literary works, Web pages, computer code, and other creative works.

Further and further down the rabbit hole we go.
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